[RdTv]

 

Bring It On Bitch!

[Androol]

Originally Posted by porkmarras

Split hairs over the creators of Free Jazz might lead to me to breaking into a zoo armed with a stanley knife.

its not Ornette Coleman?

[RdTv]

*remains silent*

[porkmarras]

''hmmm.....''

 

[Androol]

but dont you all think its fun to discover missing links?

[RdTv]

I'm intrigued, but honestly know not what you mean.

[sonicl]

Missing links in the evolutionary chain?

[Androol]

exactly. missing links in the evolution of music.

[atari 2600]

wasn't the first punk song penned sometime in the forties in a penitentiary?
I believe it went something like, "oi ow oi/ owie/ slammed in the slammer/oi oi oi/ woe is me/fucked in the ass by society."

the skinny from wiki
The phrase "punk rock" (from "punk", meaning a beginner or novice) was originally applied to the untutored guitar-and-vocals-based rock and roll of United States bands of the mid-1960s such as The Standells, The Sonics, and The Seeds, bands that now are more often categorized as "garage rock".
The term was coined by rock critic Dave Marsh, who used it to describe the music of ? and the Mysterians in the May 1971 issue of Creem magazine[1], and it was adopted by many rock music journalists in the early 1970s. For example, in the liner notes of the 1972 anthology album Nuggets, critic and guitarist Lenny Kaye uses the term "punk-rock" to refer to the Sixties "garage rock" groups, as well as some of the darker and more primitive practitioners of 1960s psychedelic rock. Shortly after the time of those notes, Lenny Kaye formed a band with avant-garde poet Patti Smith. Smith's group, and her first album, Horses, released in 1975, directly inspired many of the mid-1970s punk rockers, so this suggests one path by which the term migrated to the music now known as punk.
In addition to the inspiration of those "garage bands" of the 1960s, the roots of punk rock draw on the snotty attitude, on-stage and off-stage violence, and aggressive instrumentation of The Who; the early Rolling Stones, Eddie Cochran, Gene Vincent and The Velvet Underground; as well as the sexuality, political confrontation, and on-stage violence of Detroit bands Alice Cooper, The Stooges and MC5; the English pub rock scene and political UK underground bands such as Mick Farren and the Deviants; the New York Dolls; and some British "glam rock" or "art rock" acts of the early 1970s, including David Bowie, Gary Glitter and Roxy Music. Influence from other musical genres, including reggae, funk, and rockabilly can also be detected in early punk rock.

[Toilet & Bowels]

i think obscure missing links are usually overplayed by people who just want to impress with their pop-culture theories.

[RdTv]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to atari 2600 again.

[Androol]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

i think obscure missing links are usually overplayed by people who just want to impress with their pop-culture theories.

well i wouldnt say that about Albert Ayler - Holy Ghost or This Heat - Rimp Romp Ramp

usually if its a true missing link the song is gonna be pretty damn good

[Toilet & Bowels]

well within free jazz albert ayler is one of the most well known artists, so he wasn't really what i was talking about. he's not really an obscure missing link. although he his body was never found, was it?

[Androol]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

well within free jazz albert ayler is one of the most well known artists, so he wasn't really what i was talking about.

yes but that song in particular. not many people realize its the first song featuring blastbeats and so by some standards is actually the first grindcore song.

[Toilet & Bowels]

yeah, but were napalm death, or that other band who ND supposedly bit all their shit from listening to ayler at the time?

[Androol]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

yeah, but were napalm death, or that other band who ND supposedly bit all their shit from listening to ayler at the time?

no, Heresy was listening to Larm and Siege

but its still interesting like sort of a pinhole through time

[atari 2600]

(not inclusive of every band, but...)

-In 1941, Library of Congress workers searching the Mississippi Delta for Robert Johnson (who is already dead from poisoning by a jealous tavern owner) discover instead a fieldhand who plays Robert Johnson songs who goes by the name of "Muddy" Waters.
-After a fight with the plantation owner a couple of years later in 1943, Muddy Waters moves out of Mississippi & brings the electric blues to Chicago (instrumental to both rock & punk)
-Link Wray gets fuzzy on his 1958 instrumental hit "Rumble"
-With their 1963 hit, The Kingsmen do "Louie, Louie" and sing Richard Berry's song so unintelligibly that it gets banned by paranoid censors
-The Sonics, from way up in Tacoma, bust out with songs like "Strychnine", "Psycho" & "The Witch" and along with Paul Revere & the Raiders, establish the first Seattle "scene"
-At nearly the same time over in England, Davie Davies of The Kinks slices his amp with a razor blade to get the fuzztone for "You Really Got Me"; they go on to produce the first popular classic compositions centered around moveable barre "power" chords
-The Beatles mock the "Taxman"
-The Yardbirds & The Who start abusing equpment whilst exhibiting snotty, bad attitudes in general
-The VU bring a new dynamic and help to galvanize Max's Kansas City as a landmark venue
-Hendrix sets his guitar ablaze in erotic sacrifice at The Monterrey Pop Festival
-MLK & RFK assassinated
-The Beatles go "Helter Skelter"
-The "Manson family" go "Helter Skelter"
-UK PM Margaret Thatcher (together with the French government) decides to build Concorde SST which causes the British ecomony to go into recession & later into depression
-Jim Morrison is arrested for obscenity, public exposure & attempting to incite a riot during The Doors' 1969 show at Miami's Dinner Key auditorium
-The Rolling Stones at Altamont top-off the anti-Woodstock chemistry
-the Detroit scene follows with MC5, The Stooges & Alice Cooper; Iggy rolls around in broken glass
-Dave Marsh describes the music of ? and the Mysterians as "punk" in the May 1971 issue of Creem magazine
-then comes the CBGB/Max's "genesis" with
The New York Dolls & Suicide as "proper" punk starts to take form
-Over in England, The Pop Group is doing the diy
-then comes the "new wave" of "the scene" who perform on the Bowery in NYC and usually at CBGB:
Richard Hell & the Voidoids, Johnny Thunders & The Heartbreakers, Wayne County & the Electric Chairs, Ramones, Patti Smith Group, Talking Heads, Television, Blondie, & all the bands fronted by the irrepressible little freak known as James Chance
-the "Punk" fanzine is founded in NYC by Greg Dunn & Legs McNeil
-at the same time over in Ohio (all those trips the VU took out there & the Detroit, MI influence no doubt)
you got another scene with Devo, & Rocket from the Tombs splitting into Pere Ubu and The Dead Boys
-Over in Boston, The Modern Lovers do their new wave & in Brisbane, Australia, The Saints are doing their thing
-In England, the infamous Svengali known as Malcolm McLaren starts an S&M clothing shop called Sex, meets an actual street gutter punk named John "Sex" Lydon, proclaims him "Rotten," and dresses him & assorted local ruffians, thus forming Sex Pistols.
-bassist Sid Vicious kills his girlfriend, an American named Nancy Spungeon, in NYC...he later kills himself by OD'ing while awaiting trial
-Their fans go on to become bands like Siouxsie & the Banshees, X-ray Spex, The Clash and Generation X that like to wear the clothes to offput the passerby & establish an instantly recognizable image & it goes from there as people see Sex Pistols shows & movies & later the whole look gets co-opted by Judas Priest & (Jello brings it to America (thanks) ...The Damned too) then the rest of the Hardcore & Heavy Metal crowds that come after the Punk scene...



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[Tokolosh]

Originally Posted by atari 2600

Then, Sex Pistols started up in England & their fans go on to become
bands like Siouxsie & the Banshees, X-ray Spex, The Clash and Generation X & it goes from there...

... Jello Biafra saw the Pistols in England. He was so inspired by them, that he went back to the US and started the legendary Dead Kennedys. Hardcore punk was born.

[Toilet & Bowels]

who came out first, DKs or Black Flag?

[atari 2600]

that was a big catalyst. hardcore also had help from The Damned coming to the West coast from England & also on the East Coast, the genesis of the Dischord scene...
Black Flag's strong tour ethic helped spread hardcore. They and Dead Kennedys started up virtually simultaneously, although Greg Ginn's first band, Panic, was pre-DK.