[noisereductions]

I'm pretty sure the being-scared-of-being-a-dad thing holds up. At least the way I always viewed it. With the sperms and the fucked up baby (Spike) and all.

[Sonic Youth 37]

 

[fugazifan]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Seriously though, fugazifan have you seen Satantango?:

 

I just keep thinking it'd be your favorite film.

will have to check it out. although 7 1/2 hours is extreme, it usually takes me weeks to decide to watch a 3 hour movie.
plus i think im goin g to watch wagners ring cycle and thats 20 hours. but ill try to find it.
thanks!

[fugazifan]

i saw high plains drifter.
wow
amazing
9/10
top five westerns that ive seen.

[o o o]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Seriously though, fugazifan have you seen Satantango?:

 

I just keep thinking it'd be your favorite film.

Sátántangó might well be my favourite film and Béla Tarr might well be my favourite director!... I've only seen Sátántangó twice, each time over a week-end, I don't remember everything, but I really love it. The opening scene with the cows wandering in the empty town, the tango scene, the scene where two characters are walking down the street with a strong wind behind them and garbage flying all over... many images that stay with you. I realise it's probably not everyone's cup of tea, the scenes are very long and one has to be very patient, but it can be very rewarding.

fugazifan, if you are worried about the duration of that movie, maybe you can start first with one of his shorter movies, such as Werckmeister Harmonies or Damnation (that's actually the two only other Béla Tarr movies I've seen!). They also contain very long scenes, but maybe it is more accessible because those films are only between 2 and 3 hours long (I think). Out of the two, my favourite might be Werckmeister Harmonies, perhaps becaus of one scene where the main character teaches a bunch of drunkards the solar system and the mechanism of eclipses by making them act/dance one as the sun, one as the earth, one as the moon, etc (edit - ah, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFmu7BYbthY). There is also a great scene in an hospital later in the movie. But Damnation is really good too, it's just that I have only seen it once, so maybe I have less memories of it.

Also, the music is always great in Béla Tarr movies.

[atsonicpark]

Originally Posted by o o o

Sátántangó might well be my favourite film and Béla Tarr might well be my favourite director!... I've only seen Sátántangó twice, each time over a week-end, I don't remember everything, but I really love it. The opening scene with the cows wandering in the empty town, the tango scene, the scene where two characters are walking down the street with a strong wind behind them and garbage flying all over... many images that stay with you. I realise it's probably not everyone's cup of tea, the scenes are very long and one has to be very patient, but it can be very rewarding.

fugazifan, if you are worried about the duration of that movie, maybe you can start first with one of his shorter movies, such as Werckmeister Harmonies or Damnation (that's actually the two only other Béla Tarr movies I've seen!). They also contain very long scenes, but maybe it is more accessible because those films are only between 2 and 3 hours long (I think). Out of the two, my favourite might be Werckmeister Harmonies, perhaps becaus of one scene where the main character teaches a bunch of drunkards the solar system and the mechanism of eclipses by making them act/dance one as the sun, one as the earth, one as the moon, etc (edit - ah, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFmu7BYbthY). There is also a great scene in an hospital later in the movie. But Damnation is really good too, it's just that I have only seen it once, so maybe I have less memories of it.

Also, the music is always great in Béla Tarr movies.

Haha, wasn't expecting anyone to post something like this!

I've only seen Satantango and Harmonies and both were great. I need to get some more Tarr. Satantango certainly doesn't feel like a 7 1/2 hour movie... The scene with the two men walking with the trash blowing around is one of the best scenes I've ever seen. The scenes with the cat are probably the most disturbing scenes I've ever seen. And then there's so much beauty in the film... some of the most beautiful images I've ever seen.

[fugazifan]

ASP have you seen landscape in the mist? i saw it last week and was blown away, i think youd really like it

[atsonicpark]

never heard of it.

just netflix-queued it, it'll be here soon.

thanks!

[noisereductions]

Originally Posted by swa(y)

no one is "right" when it comes to lynch, though.

yessah. I am.

[jimbrim]

 

it was alright

[Satan]

Originally Posted by Dead-Air

Just saw Inferno by Dario Argento. Not bad at all, though I feel guilty for getting off on some of his tricks. Whether you love or hate cats, it will push your buttons. There is mythology sort of, but mostly it's just mindfuckery. Great sets and arty misogyny of course.

speaking of dario argento have you seen jenifer? that is a fucking weird ass movie and i didn't think it was very good but it kept my attention for sure.

[atsonicpark]

Didn't like Jennifer, didn't like Inferno (aside from the colors).


I do like Argento a lot, though. Tenebre and Deep Red are two of my all time favorite films.

[demonrail666]

Invocation of My Demon Brother. 11/10

 

[Satan]

jennifer was a fucking cheesefest wasnt it?

Originally Posted by demonrail666

Invocation of My Demon Brother. 11/10

 

soooooooo goooooooood

[atsonicpark]

Invocation of My Demon Brother is one of the best, definitely.

[noisereductions]

Here's the thing about Argento. I saw Opera and was like OMG! BEST DIRECTOR EVER! Then saw Susperia. Which is awesome. Then I saw a dozen of his films that were nice looking, but ultimately shitty films. So...

[atsonicpark]

Yeah, Opera's the first one i saw, and I love it.

I like most of his output, though all his recent works have been awful (aside from the surprisingly underrated "Third Mother", which isn't a good film by any stretch of the imagination -- but is entertaining, something films like "Sleepless" aren't).

I find Suspiria overrated, aside from the opening death and the oversaturated colors.

[noisereductions]

I like Supseria a lot. But it's no Opera.

Like you said most of his new films (The Card Player! Do You Like Hitchcock! Jennifer! Pelts! etc) are pretty garbage. But then again, really think about The Hatchet Murders, or Phenomenon, or Phantom Of The Opera, etc. He's really a good director of photography. But it's so boring to see someone base their film career on attempting to just add a lot of blood to 2nd rate mystery scripts in the style-o' Hitch.

and again. They're nice to look at. Enough so that I've seen a bulk of them.

[atsonicpark]

I think, essentially, what I like about the guy, he's making art-horror films. Or he was. And I gotta give the guy credit for never totally selling out... he's made horror films almost exclusively.

But, yeah, let's look at Tenebre: What a beautiful work of art. I mean, really. The colors, the direction, that one 3 minute shot of a camera swooping all around the house... I definitely see a Hitchcockian vibe (you know, aside from him actually having a film called DO YOU LIKE HITCHCOCK?), but I dunno, his films just aren't that dramatic or suspensful. Instead, he's more concerned with artful murder scenes... art horror, yeah.

I think a lot of his films are a bit "lost in translation", though. Because there'll often be some incredibly dumb dialogue here or there that has me scratching my head. A lot of his films are incredibly obvious, too.

I think "Stendhal Syndrome" is another underrated gem. This one has 3D bullets, odd shots of pills being swallowed, and people entering paintings. It's a bit too long, though.

"Deep Red"/"The Hatchet Murder"/"Profondo Rosso" just amazes me, though. That one has this amazing atmosphere.. with the colors and direction.. I dunno. Something about that one.. I can't put my finger on it, but I love it. I've bought 4 copies of it in my lifetime, in fact

Argento is definitely a very frustrating director. It seems like he doesn't even know his own strengths and weaknesses, and his films are often overlong and indulgent. I've noticed that many films have logical endings -- but then he often will tack on more after the ending to make a "real" ending (see: Opera, Creepers/Phenonemon/Stendhal for examples). He definitely stretches out his worst scenes for too long, and he just kinda skirts around the truly brilliant scenes. Still, when he's on, he's on, and he actually kinda surprises me sometimes. For example, "Trauma", in particular, surprised me with its violence. He's an interesting director, though I think he's an awful storyteller.

He also was one of the 4 writers on one of my all time favorite films, Once Upon a Time in the West.

[nicfit]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Argento is definitely a very frustrating director. It seems like he doesn't even know his own strengths and weaknesses, and his films are often overlong and indulgent. I've noticed that many films have logical endings -- but then he often will tack on more after the ending to make a "real" ending (see: Opera, Creepers/Phenonemon/Stendhal for examples). He definitely stretches out his worst scenes for too long, and he just kinda skirts around the truly brilliant scenes. Still, when he's on, he's on, and he actually kinda surprises me sometimes. For example, "Trauma", in particular, surprised me with its violence. He's an interesting director, though I think he's an awful storyteller.

Hell yes.
I think his "problem" is that he doesn't think too much about the audience. Not that he does not aim to "please" his fans or anything like that, but I think he focuses more on the pleasures/difficulties of directing rather than on the pleasure/difficulties those who will watch the finished movie will experience.

Still some reeeeeally nice movies, some others with reeeeeally nice scenes/colours/shots, his latest output suffers a bit from the different techniques imo..I mean, more modern film/lighting (at least i think so) etc kinda detracts some of the appeal older movies had, while being basically pretty similar on a pure filological pov.

I'm glad a bunch of italian "horror" directors are still appreciated for nice things other than the more "splatter" scenes.

does this make sense?