[Severian]

Originally Posted by louder

So y'all are really going to skip one of the best projects of the year?

https://soundcloud.com/cosmopyke/sets/just-cosmo

Hey man, you're the one who's never checking in any more. Freakin' Rob had a HURRICANE to contend with and he still posted. So...

Lol.

[evollove]

Who are some female rappers as dope as Sno the Product?

[Severian]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

Could be. Could be. I think his influence will last far longer, just like lil wayne and his influence helped create young thug and the like....

Good chance of that, I suppose. Fair enough. Thing about Thug is he tries things. He does crazy shit and doesn't give a fuck, and that's cool. I saw a meme video of him rapping, with a caption like "Rappers don't even rap about anything anymore." And, y'know, admittedly the song was about god knows what... pussy, certain kinds of food, happenstance, nonsensical rhymes... but at least it's weird.

I don't personally like him, but I can appreciate that. And I didn't like Wayne for a long time either, until Carter 2 and 3 really, but eventually I saw what people were seeing (just in time for it to disappear forever, apparently).

I just see the trajectory of his career, and in 2015 he was, like, the second coming. In 2016 he had a bunch of mixtapes that faired only sort of well, and an "album" (J3FF3RY) that a lot of critics and fans thought was peak Thug. Then 2017 rolled around, and he dropped a "singing album," and made headlines for like a day... possibly because making a "singing album" has been an uber cliché since the only "singing album" worth listening to came out 9 years ago (you know what I'm talking about.) So, maybe the fact that he was doing something so average it's almost a pre-requirement for next level rap stardom was a turn off, or maybe it just wasn't that good. But I feel the heat around Young Thug dying down significantly.

I wonder who will be the next Wayne/Thug type, to be simultaneously stupid and smart, and to challenge perceptions of street rap.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by evollove

Who are some female rappers as dope as Sno the Product?

Kamaiyah is pretty good. I guess. I don't know. I guess I'm kinda sexist about rap, if I'm being honest. I can't think of many female rappers whose music I listen to beyond Lauryn Hill. I should work on that.

[louder]

Originally Posted by evollove

Who are some female rappers as dope as Sno the Product?

Junglepussy - yes, terrible name but she's a very good rapper.

Princess Nokia is an interesting artist but I'm not too crazy about her voice.

Noname is pretty good. Sort of like a female Chance the Rapper.

[Rob Instigator]

It's not Lady Sovereign

 

[evollove]

^ Wow. She sucks.

So, I don't really like 95% of hiphop I hear.

But I'm sort of growing obsessed with Snow tha Product.

This either means: I'm too ignorant to know a good rapper when I hear one. Or: she's so good, even people who aren't into hiphop have to get her props.

Her beats could be better. Her lyrics could use some variety (lots of bragging and hater-bashing). But I can't get enough.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by evollove

^ Wow. She sucks.

So, I don't really like 95% of hiphop I hear.

But I'm sort of growing obsessed with Snow tha Product.

This either means: I'm too ignorant to know a good rapper when I hear one. Or: she's so good, even people who aren't into hiphop have to get her props.

Her beats could be better. Her lyrics could use some variety (lots of bragging and hater-bashing). But I can't get enough.

I don’t like 95% of the hip-hop I hear either.

[evollove]

Stupid but serious question: what's with the brag rhymes? Why does every rapper have to insist they are the best?

Here's mine:

Muthafuckas all know me as evollove.
My rhymes so tight like a hand in glove.
Front on me? Shit, I wouldn't dare it.
I got a baby arm, you got a baby carrot.

[Rob Instigator]

I thought about the braggadocio in rap for long time.

I feel it comes from being raised deeply poor. Most poor people in the world have very few things to be proud of, and they are ussually not physical things, like flashy cars, or gold chains. They have to take pride in the achievements open to someone from a deeply impoverished place, such as how mnay girls you bang, how many drugs you can take, hoe you are better than every single person that makes you feel like shit every single day for being a poor ass motherfucker. When you have nothing, all you can espouse is your own bad-assness, whatever that may be.

That is how it started, but of course, there are a lot of rappers in the past 25 years that are only aping/copying/reflecting what they see from the OG's, and so they brag and exaggerate and such, but with them it is about the wit and the intellgience. Rappers always rap about banging strangers and orgies and shit, but just like Rakim would rap about killing you with his microphone, it is mostly a "joke" in a sense.

[evollove]

So by and large, it's just generic subject matter to play with? Like, I think to rhyme "dare it" and "carrot," so I'll stick it in a brag rap?

The subject gets old after awhile, but it is a neat trick when a rapper brags about being the best and the technique proves the point. Example: I think nearly every Big Daddy Kane song is a brag, but, you know, he's really fucking good and I wouldn't really argue with him.

Competition, I just devour
Like a pit bull against a chihuahua

[Rob Instigator]

yes, it is one thing to brag and another to have the chops to back up that brag.

[Severian]

Bragging is ubiquitous in rap. Everyone does it in one way or another. You learn to tolerate the brags that don’t make you feel embarrassed for the artist, and you learn to love the brags that make you laugh or feel genuine or true in some way.

For example:
“Damn ‘Ye, it’d be stupid to dis you
Even your superficial raps are super official”

^ Boom. Funny and accurate. I’m sold.

Compared to one of the most notoriously shitty, shit-balls brags in recent memory:
“Tell my mom I love her if I do not make it
Got so many chains they call me ‘Chaining Tatum’”

^ That’s Drake. Shit rhyme, shit sentiment, stupid thing to say, awful, fuck it.

ETA: The good one is Kanye

[louder]

Speaking of female MC's, Rapsody's new album comes out tomorrow.

Fuck, I feel ashamed for even forgetting to mention her. Easily the best one in the game. Her verse on Complexion was nothing short of greatness.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by louder

Speaking of female MC's, Rapsody's new album comes out tomorrow.

Fuck, I feel ashamed for even forgetting to mention her. Easily the best one in the game. Her verse on Complexion was nothing short of greatness.

Oh yeah. I forgot about her too because I haven’t thought about her since I was listening to TPAB all the time, due to the aforementioned semi-sexism of my rap listening habits.

Thanks for reminding me about this. I just hopped over to Apple Music and listened to the available tracks from “Laila’s Wisdom,” and there’s a good one with Busta Rhymes (who I kinda keep forgetting is still alive). Good stuff.

[evollove]

Rhapsody's cool. I like how her music makes white people feel safe, then she throws in the n-word.

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Why does Drake get any respect as a rapper? There's at least two clips of him on youtube completely blowing a freestyle. Everyone can have a bad day, but twenty seconds of "Yo. Alright. Uh-hu. Here we go. Yo. Yeah. Alright" is just pathetic.

[Rob Instigator]

Drake is an actor pretending to be a quality rapper. he uses ghostwriters for pretty much everything. I only like a few of his tunes, and usually not because of him, but because of the track itself. His "flow" is straight dookie.

[Rob Instigator]

but he is "safe" for the white kids and housewives to listen to. he is half black. he is canadian. he is well-groomed and doesn't look like a degenerate druggie

[louder]

"RZA Reveals Kanye West Is Producing 90s Inspired Music With ASR Machines"

RZA and Kanye West have worked together on songs a bunch of times in the past — ‘White Dress’, ‘New Day’, ‘So Appalled’ and more. It was recently revealed that the two had connected in the studio, supposedly to work on Kanye’s upcoming new album.

RZA stopped by Power 106 L.A. recently to promote the upcoming Wu-Tang Clan album, The Saga Continues. At the 26 minute mark, RZA said he wouldn’t like to divulge too many details but revealed that Kanye had two ASR machines in the studio when he visited him. He explained how the Ensoniq ASR machines have a unique way to produce classic 90s Hip-Hop sound. Is ‘Ye cooking up some vintage music?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NFG1gYp7W8


Misleading title because Kanye has already worked with ASR machines in the past and it doesn't guarantee "90's vintage sound".

It's good to hear that he's still working on music and producing though.

There's also some talk about how he's gonna put out something with Kid Cudi at the end of 2017. I don't know. We'll wait and see I guess.

[louder]

I realized that Tribe's comeback album is their best album. It truly has everything that is so great about Tribe. Production wise it's modern and incredible. Versatile. Every rapper brought the top of his game. It's truly a masterpiece.