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Originally Posted by atari 2600

They have great word-of-mouth and at one time, got megadistribution.
Your basic old-school redneck, of course, affirmed Lynyrd Skynyrd as the end-all, be-all of groups. Thing is, Lynyrd Skynyrd are actually great musicians and write some good songs every now and then.
Your modern redneck listens to all the modern garbage like nu-metal radio songs, the majority of new hip-hop, and so forth, but the band they seem to universally absolutely adore is Korn.

One thing we can learn from this thread is that South America also has rednecks.

fucking racist hahahahahaha
you just won't fucking understand that korn is NOT in between the bands i listen to everyfucking day.
i think i haven't heard anything by korn since 1998.
but I listened to nevermind yesterday, and incesticide a few days ago.
my daily bands are juana molina, sonic youth, elastica, psapp, EVEN NIRVANA.
not korn.

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Originally Posted by swa(y)

can creep really be runined?

just my opinion dont have a little sister puss out wine attack....

hjasdhsaj ok
i am on your side this time.

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Originally Posted by sarramkrop

To consider Justin Timberlake's music not to be an art form just because you don't like it is just a bit dumb, to say the least.

i agree.
i think everything has to be an art form.
you can take several elements from songs by several diferent artists.
that depending on what's inside your head.
i can listen to an ABBA song and say i find it brilliant while people like swa(y) will say it's fucking gay to find something like that brilliant.

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Originally Posted by swa(y)

seriously..whats the point in being fucking happy?

in principle, i would have no problem with a "live and let die" philosophy, except that it's true that misery loves company-- so miserable people do create problems for the rest...

having said that, i wonder: is your rejection of happiness a form of sour grapes? you should try it some time before you try to pass judgement on it.

Originally Posted by Diesel

i consider justin timberlake to be a wigga who makes crap art but i could sample him to make something new and make him sound spectacular yash

Opinions are like arseholes, you have one too.

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Originally Posted by swa(y)

well, sour grapes certainy got no hope of bein' fresh again.

oh sour means green i mean not ripe hm let's see...

The Fox and the Grapes

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The Fox and the Grapes, illustrated by Milo Winter in a 1919 Aesop anthology


The Fox and the Grapes

is a fable attributed to Aesop. The protagonist, a fox, upon failing to find a way to reach grapes hanging high up on a vine, retreated and said: "The grapes are sour anyway!". The moral is stated at the end of the fable as:

It is easy to despise what you cannot get.

The English idiom "sour grapes" - derived from this fable - refers to the denial of one's desire for something that one fails to acquire or to the person who holds such denial. Similar expressions exist in other languages. In psychology, this behavior is known as rationalization. It may also be called reduction of cognitive dissonance.

In colloquial speech the idiom is often applied to someone who loses and fails to do so gracefully. Strictly speaking, it should be applied to someone who, after losing, denies the intention to win altogether. The phrase is misused in all sorts of ways by people who do not know the original story and imagine it means something more general like "bitterness" or "resentment".

Frank Tashlin adapted the tale into a 1941 Color Rhapsodies short for Screen Gems/Columbia Pictures. The Fox and the Grapes marked the first appearance of Screen Gems' most popular characters, The Fox and the Crow.

Similar Persian (Iranian) idiom: "The cat who cannot reach the meat says it smells bad!" Or a Bengali phrase: "One who doesn't know how to dance says the floor is uneven!"

[edit] Unripe versus sour

The moral of the fable centers on the qualification by the fox, when he finds his desire unattainable. The word "sour" was probably chosen by the translators in Western Europe, writing during the Victorian era. Study of older versions of the fable suggest that "unripe" might be a more literal translation, the idea being that the fox would come back later to try in earnest. The word "unripe" may have been replaced with "sour" by the fable's Victorian translators since the word "unripe", in Victorian society, might have been interpreted as an innuendo suggesting an as-yet unripe woman.

Another view is that "sour grapes" is brief and concrete, as compared with "unripe grapes".

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dont get all confusing now, we were talking about happiness not "things"

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

dont get all confusing now, we were talking about happiness not "things"

are you seriously a psychologist?

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Originally Posted by contrelefuckingsexisme

are you seriously a psychologist?

no! i just have a lot of experience with crazies

(myself included)

[zedius]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

So you're basically saying that if someone doesn't appreciate what you appreciate, they don't have an idea of what art is or might be?I don't understand the point that you're making.

No, I don't expect everyone else to appreciate what I appreciate. Hell, there's stuff I appreciate that I don't expect anyone else to appreciate.

Justin Timberlake is designed to sell hits. Are you going to tell me otherwise? He exists to appeal to the broadest spectrum of people who don't really give a shit about music or art. They just want to dance. They just want something catchy.

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

no! i just have a lot of experience with crazies

(myself included)

that's great.
i'd love to study psychology but not in the whole professional way.
just to be able to understand attitudes and stuff.

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Originally Posted by swa(y)

what benifits do i get from being happy? i seriously dont give a fuck man.

give whiskey, and put on 1000 leaves, and im okaye.

other than my mom and a few friends thats all i really care about.

but even it really donest mean anything when ya look a t the big picture.'

im here simply cause my parents fucked, and they hated eachother even then.

i dont have a fuckin dad.

my mom and her husband barely get by.

im on my own dude.

Hear the lonesome whiperwill
He sounds too blue to fly
The midnight train is whining low
Im so lonesome I could cry

Ive never seen a night so long
When time goes crawling by
The moon just went behind a cloud
To hide its face and cry

Did you ever see a robin weep
When leaves begin to die
That means hes lost the will to live
Im so lonesome I could cry

The silence of a falling star
Lights up a purple sky
And as I wonder where you are
Im so lonesome I could cry

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Originally Posted by contrelefuckingsexisme

that's great.
i'd love to study psychology but not in the whole professional way.
just to be able to understand attitudes and stuff.

oh! psychology books usually start with freud and behaviorism and all that stuff, but i never found it too helpful to understand people.

this book however blew my mind:

http://www.amazon.com/Bradshaw-Famil.../dp/1558744274

its genius but a bit poorly written-- not really a contradiction, it's a matter of substance over style. amazing though.

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Originally Posted by zedius

No, I don't expect everyone else to appreciate what I appreciate. Hell, there's stuff I appreciate that I don't expect anyone else to appreciate.

Justin Timberlake is designed to sell hits. Are you going to tell me otherwise? He exists to appeal to the broadest spectrum of people who don't really give a shit about music or art. They just want to dance. They just want something catchy.

but even people who really give shit about music or art can find something "good" in what he does.
i've talked about it with one important music producer here.
i cannot find anything good in a Creed song but I certainly believe there's something good in what Justin Timberlake does.
I wouldn't buy him an album, I wouldn't go to one of his shows, I wouldn't even care to watch an special tv show about him.
but when you are in a 15 year old birthday party all you get is miranda! (a pop band from argentina), justin timberlake, black eyed peas. Boredom and the fact that I don't like dancing made me realise over the years that all those kind of teenie boppie bands have at least ONE good thing per song. ONE and only ONE good effect or good arrangement.

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

oh! psychology books usually start with freud and behaviorism and all that stuff, but i never found it too helpful to understand people.

this book however blew my mind:

http://www.amazon.com/Bradshaw-Famil.../dp/1558744274

its genius but a bit poorly written-- not really a contradiction, it's a matter of substance over style. amazing though.

yes! i wanted to get some freud stuff about the interpretation of dreams. i am wanting to know about that.

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Originally Posted by contrelefuckingsexisme

yes! i wanted to get some freud stuff about the interpretation of dreams. i am wanting to know about that.

well freud is a giant but really quite outdated now, there are a lot of books about him and i'm sure in argentina especially,

in english there's the "general introduction to psychoanalysis" book that has many editions. en castellano no se.

but also if you read freud in translation (especially in english) and not in german, bruno bettleheim's "freud and man's soul" is a must, because he points out some very serious problems of the translations of freud into english, and how those have spawned all sorts of misinterpretations. http://www.amazon.com/Freud-Mans-Sou...3467326&sr=1-1

have fun-- i really need to get off the board & back to work but if you need more books pm me.

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Originally Posted by Dan Evol

Of all the bands to choose from to bring back MTV unplugged, why Korn? They havent been in the spot light for years, so why now? Korn and Evanescense and polished radio rock bullshit, it obviously took them years to get their unplugged set together, because their producers do most of the work. Sonic youth really deserves an unplugged. That would be awesome.

Korn = Sucks , Nirvana = Rules !!! :P

sí, sonic youth would be great to listen to in an unplugged, but i don't think that one's happening anytime soon. next one will probably be my chemical romance or some shit like that.

[Rob Instigator]

almost 90% of everything Freud psotulated has been discredited, and discredited badly.
most of his theories of women and most of his theories on child development stemmed from very few clinical observations. his ideas fucked everyone up for 50 years before psychologists and psychiatirsts decided to ignore them.
fuck freud.

to read about dreams read Carl Jung.

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

well freud is a giant but really quite outdated now, there are a lot of books about him and i'm sure in argentina especially,

in english there's the "general introduction to psychoanalysis" book that has many editions. en castellano no se.

but also if you read freud in translation (especially in english) and not in german, bruno bettleheim's "freud and man's soul" is a must, because he points out some very serious problems of the translations of freud into english, and how those have spawned all sorts of misinterpretations. http://www.amazon.com/Freud-Mans-Sou...3467326&sr=1-1

have fun-- i really need to get off the board & back to work but if you need more books pm me.

I'll see what I can find at the book fair (sp?) at the park.

Originally Posted by zedius

No, I don't expect everyone else to appreciate what I appreciate. Hell, there's stuff I appreciate that I don't expect anyone else to appreciate.

Justin Timberlake is designed to sell hits. Are you going to tell me otherwise? He exists to appeal to the broadest spectrum of people who don't really give a shit about music or art. They just want to dance. They just want something catchy.

He appeals to me in a different way than, say, Ravi Shankar or whoeever you want to insert there who has anymore of a different approach to making music-making than Timberlake might have.Careful when you say that he appeals only to people who like to dance, because you are making a statement without having anything realistic to back it up with. Brian McMahan (of Slint and Forcarnation fame) has always wanted to make an r n b album and Steve Stapleton of Nurse With Wound has made a Hip Hop album.Both genres are carefully packaged to be sold, and both of them are what you would easily call people who give quite the shit about art.