Sister vs. Daydream Nation? - Page 4

pepper_green · 07.26.2016, 06:28 PM

ok, i'll say Sister since I've spent more time with it going all the way back to high school. DDN I didn't hear till I was 20?...21?

ugh!! but DDN has that psych cathartic feedback freak out at the end of the Sprawl. one of my fav moments alongs with the Trilogy? Silver Rocket break down? Lee songs? Teenage Riot? sheeit!!! massive devastation of an album. leaves me a wreck everytime.

also, what's wrong with Hot Wire my Heart? I love the cover. it fits in with the cyber punk hallucinations and possibly equal with the original.

a baby in 1980 · 07.26.2016, 09:32 PM

Sister just sounds so good. I don't rate DDN as highly.

Severian · 08.13.2016, 11:00 AM

I think this is one of those "favorite" vs. "better" issues for me. Sister is probably my all time favorite SY album, but I can't bring myself to say it's better than DDN. It's not. Daydream Nation is a more solid, seamless album, and there isn't a single missed opportunity or out of place moment.

Frankly, Sister has some minor imperfections. I don't really love the way it ends, even though I like Master-Dik as a song. But with an album that starts out so strong, with such an unhinged and kickass set of opening tracks, I wish it ended with an equally powerful moment.

With Daydream Nation, there is no "I wish." It's all exactly how it should be.

candymoan · 08.13.2016, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian

I think this is one of those "favorite" vs. "better" issues for me. Sister is probably my all time favorite SY album, but I can't bring myself to say it's better than DDN. It's not. Daydream Nation is a more solid, seamless album, and there isn't a single missed opportunity or out of place moment.

Frankly, Sister has some minor imperfections. I don't really love the way it ends, even though I like Master-Dik as a song. But with an album that starts out so strong, with such an unhinged and kickass set of opening tracks, I wish it ended with an equally powerful moment.

With Daydream Nation, there is no "I wish." It's all exactly how it should be.

my thoughts exactly..
funny, couldn't have expressed it as accurately as you did there...

Mortte Jousimo · 08.18.2016, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian

Frankly, Sister has some minor imperfections. I don't really love the way it ends, even though I like Master-Dik as a song. But with an album that starts out so strong, with such an unhinged and kickass set of opening tracks, I wish it ended with an equally powerful moment.

As "always vinyls" -person I say that White Kross is that perfect ending of an album as it can be. Master-Dik is just cd-bonus and I can say the same words also from Bubblegum as cd ending as you said about Master (can you imagine also better ending of an album than expressway?). Only not so good song in Sister is Hot Wire, but even it fits so well to it. There are many more in DDN (Erics trip, Teenage Riot, Rain King, Total Trash).

d.sound · 08.18.2016, 09:50 AM

sister has PIPELINE. that is all.

Severian · 08.18.2016, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mortte Jousimo

Only not so good song in Sister is Hot Wire, but even it fits so well to it. There are many more in DDN (Erics trip, Teenage Riot, Rain King, Total Trash).

Wait, are you saying Eric's Trip, Teenage Riot, Rain King and Total Trash are "not so good" songs? If so, I definitely disagree on all counts.

I actually like "Hot Wire My Heart." It's odd to have a cover on an album like that, but not unheard of. Minutemen covers "Dr. Woo" and all.

I honestly love every minute of Sister. There's nothing on it that I don't like. But I don't think every moment is necessarily perfect either. Daydream Nation is a seamless, perfect album. Everything is in the right place. The pacing is exquisite. It begins and ends on two of the most powerful Sonic Youth songs, and everything in between is utterly glorious.

Again, Sister is probably my favorite SY album, but I can't say it's better than Daydream Nation. I don't know where DDN falls in my list, but whether it's #2 or #5, it's a 100% perfect album, without question.

Mortte Jousimo · 08.18.2016, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian

Again, Sister is probably my favorite SY album, but I can't say it's better than Daydream Nation. I don't know where DDN falls in my list, but whether it's #2 or #5, it's a 100% perfect album, without question.

Exactly that reason Dark side is not my favourite Pink Floyd album, it´s Atom Heart Mother. I love both DDN & Dark Side, but just because they´re both very perfect albums, they´re also little bit boring comparing to Sister and Atom Heart.

pepper_green · 08.18.2016, 08:09 PM

DDN gives me goose bumps. of course like all my favorite music does. at some point during the album after Eric's Trip it all melds and is total vibrations. it makes you feel righteous.

preferably on wax. the grooves slide and just slay harder.

Mortte Jousimo · 08.18.2016, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian

Wait, are you saying Eric's Trip, Teenage Riot, Rain King and Total Trash are "not so good" songs? If so, I definitely disagree on all counts.

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Well, maybe "not so great songs" is better (SY hasn´t made bad songs) because Silver Rocket, Sprawl, `cross the Breeze, Hey Joni, Candle, Kissability and Trilogy are so fuckin`amazing great, those rest are just mediocre in SY cataloog. Teenage Riot is of course great opener, but it was also the first song I heard from SY and really didn´t make me understand how special band SY was. If my first song had been Schitzophrenia or even Candle, I think my SY-trip would have started immediately.

Severian · 08.20.2016, 09:20 AM

I definitely love "Candle" and "Schizophrenia" both. They might be my two most likely choices for favorite SY song. But "Teenage Riot" still makes my heart race after all these years. As a piece of music it changed my life, and had a lot to do with my ultimate decision to call Sonic Youth my favorite band, a statement I haven't gone back on for one second in well over 15 years. Teenage Riot (and, oddly, Tuff Gnarl) probably had more of an impact on me than any other SY song.

GravitySlips · 08.20.2016, 02:48 PM

Thurston's vocals nearly ruin Candle for me. A shame, because those riffs are beautiful.

Mortte Jousimo · 08.21.2016, 12:02 AM

I know DDN & Teenage are iconic to the most SY-fans, to me they have never been. Of course I listened DDN really much when hadn´t heard Sister, EVOL etc. but these days when I want to listen SY, it´s very rare DDN that I put on. But when listening it, always enjoying it like all the SY albums.

Candle is into my top10 Sy songs. Although Thurston & Kim are not singers like Lee is, I think Thurston does one of his all time best vox in studio Candle version. I have heard some live version where he´s really badly out of tune. I don´t think that song would have become so great if Lee had sung it.

I naturally appreciate DDN`s place in rock history. In that album Sy succeed to put together their art and commercial potential (no idea how much DDN has sold). They were ahead of their time, really very possible grunge wouldn´t ever happen without that album. Cover is also one of those iconic rock covers like Floyd´s Dark Side, Bowies Hunky Dory, Velvet´s first etc.

pepper_green · 08.21.2016, 12:13 AM

beautiful mortte.

Severian · 08.21.2016, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GravitySlips

Thurston's vocals nearly ruin Candle for me. A shame, because those riffs are beautiful.

Wow, seriously? Because I think it's one of his best performances. I love "deadpan Thurston," and that was back when he was still layering his vocals to give them that weird echoed sound, like on later highlight "Disappearer."

Honestly Thurston's delivery is one of the main reasons why I love Candle so much. That and that insane intro. Just a great song all around.

pepper_green · 08.21.2016, 03:40 PM

I love Candle. people who can't sing should sing more. people who shouldn't sing should hang out in bookstores and coffee shops discussing shit like politics and music and art trying to get laid while butting heads opinions.

Severian · 08.21.2016, 10:31 PM

I'm confused. Are we suddenly connoisseurs of trained vocalists here in the Sonic Youth board? Do we suddenly, like, not listen to punk music here?

Mortte Jousimo · 08.22.2016, 01:17 AM

Here´s vocalist I really love at this moment (naturally his music too). I believe he has haters too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzkTXu-BK74

SuchFriendsAreDangerous · 08.22.2016, 01:39 AM

Sonic Youth texted me they told me to post and tell y'all Daydream Nation is better

GravitySlips · 08.22.2016, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian

I'm confused. Are we suddenly connoisseurs of trained vocalists here in the Sonic Youth board? Do we suddenly, like, not listen to punk music here?

I like the Silver Jews. The Fall are my favourite band. Meat Puppets and Beat Happening rule. Etc etc.

Thurston just kinda blows on Candle. The song is more than redeemed by everything else. I still dig the song. But that bit after he says "dog star jivin'" or whatever. So bad. Usually I like Thurston's vocals, so it's weird

Mayo Thompson is great too, Mortte. Love the Red Krayola.

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07.26.2016, 06:28 PM	#61
pepper_green Banned Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 0	ok, i'll say Sister since I've spent more time with it going all the way back to high school. DDN I didn't hear till I was 20?...21? ugh!! but DDN has that psych cathartic feedback freak out at the end of the Sprawl. one of my fav moments alongs with the Trilogy? Silver Rocket break down? Lee songs? Teenage Riot? sheeit!!! massive devastation of an album. leaves me a wreck everytime. also, what's wrong with Hot Wire my Heart? I love the cover. it fits in with the cyber punk hallucinations and possibly equal with the original.
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07.26.2016, 09:32 PM	#62
a baby in 1980 bad moon rising Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Rotselaar, Belgium Posts: 156	Sister just sounds so good. I don't rate DDN as highly.
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08.13.2016, 11:00 AM	#63
Severian invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 11,798	I think this is one of those "favorite" vs. "better" issues for me. Sister is probably my all time favorite SY album, but I can't bring myself to say it's better than DDN. It's not. Daydream Nation is a more solid, seamless album, and there isn't a single missed opportunity or out of place moment. Frankly, Sister has some minor imperfections. I don't really love the way it ends, even though I like Master-Dik as a song. But with an album that starts out so strong, with such an unhinged and kickass set of opening tracks, I wish it ended with an equally powerful moment. With Daydream Nation, there is no "I wish." It's all exactly how it should be.
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08.18.2016, 09:50 AM	#66
d.sound the destroyed room Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 553	sister has PIPELINE. that is all.
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08.18.2016, 08:09 PM	#69
pepper_green Banned Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 0	DDN gives me goose bumps. of course like all my favorite music does. at some point during the album after Eric's Trip it all melds and is total vibrations. it makes you feel righteous. preferably on wax. the grooves slide and just slay harder.
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08.20.2016, 09:20 AM	#71
Severian invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 11,798	I definitely love "Candle" and "Schizophrenia" both. They might be my two most likely choices for favorite SY song. But "Teenage Riot" still makes my heart race after all these years. As a piece of music it changed my life, and had a lot to do with my ultimate decision to call Sonic Youth my favorite band, a statement I haven't gone back on for one second in well over 15 years. Teenage Riot (and, oddly, Tuff Gnarl) probably had more of an impact on me than any other SY song.
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08.20.2016, 02:48 PM	#72
GravitySlips children of satan Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 373	Thurston's vocals nearly ruin Candle for me. A shame, because those riffs are beautiful.
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08.21.2016, 12:02 AM	#73
Mortte Jousimo expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,019	I know DDN & Teenage are iconic to the most SY-fans, to me they have never been. Of course I listened DDN really much when hadn´t heard Sister, EVOL etc. but these days when I want to listen SY, it´s very rare DDN that I put on. But when listening it, always enjoying it like all the SY albums. Candle is into my top10 Sy songs. Although Thurston & Kim are not singers like Lee is, I think Thurston does one of his all time best vox in studio Candle version. I have heard some live version where he´s really badly out of tune. I don´t think that song would have become so great if Lee had sung it. I naturally appreciate DDN`s place in rock history. In that album Sy succeed to put together their art and commercial potential (no idea how much DDN has sold). They were ahead of their time, really very possible grunge wouldn´t ever happen without that album. Cover is also one of those iconic rock covers like Floyd´s Dark Side, Bowies Hunky Dory, Velvet´s first etc.
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08.21.2016, 12:13 AM	#74
pepper_green Banned Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 0	beautiful mortte.
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08.21.2016, 03:40 PM	#76
pepper_green Banned Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 0	I love Candle. people who can't sing should sing more. people who shouldn't sing should hang out in bookstores and coffee shops discussing shit like politics and music and art trying to get laid while butting heads opinions.
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08.21.2016, 10:31 PM	#77
Severian invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 11,798	I'm confused. Are we suddenly connoisseurs of trained vocalists here in the Sonic Youth board? Do we suddenly, like, not listen to punk music here?
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08.22.2016, 01:17 AM	#78
Mortte Jousimo expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,019	Here´s vocalist I really love at this moment (naturally his music too). I believe he has haters too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzkTXu-BK74
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08.22.2016, 01:39 AM	#79
SuchFriendsAreDangerous invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: fucking Los Angeles Posts: 14,801	Sonic Youth texted me they told me to post and tell y'all Daydream Nation is better __________________ Today Rap music is the Lakers
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