Originally Posted by Glice

Hate:

- Talking about it in the real world, with rare exceptions.

I rarely ever talk about music with anyone in the real world, unless it's with people I have met from here. I'd rather discuss porn and people than music.

[ZEROpumpkins]

Right now?
How every so called Indie band sounds the same. They all sing with British accents and it's just terrible.

[Death & the Maiden]

Hate: I don't have the money to buy all the music I need.

[ZEROpumpkins]

Oh and also this new thing where the singer "sings" some quirky lyrics that don't rhyme or have any rhythmical significance in relation to the song. I listen to Triple J a lot, and they never stop playing those kind of songs.
If you've heard Thou Shalt Always Kill by Dan Le Sac
or
I'll Kill Her by Soko

You'll know what I mean.

Love - Listening

Hate - Reading long posts about it

[ZEROpumpkins]

Originally Posted by Death & the Maiden

Hate: I don't have the money to buy all the music I need.

Maybe some local dude will hire you to assassinate Muslim people nearby?

[Florya]

I love the fact that my hearing is so fucked up from the MBV gig that I can't hear the shit spewing from the radio that is on at work.

[Death & the Maiden]

Originally Posted by ZEROpumpkins

Maybe some local dude will hire you to assassinate Muslim people nearby?

Haha, they haven't arrived yet.

[Toilet & Bowels]

australians are as bad racists as south africans

[Death & the Maiden]

That's true.

[viewtiful_alan]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

you're mostly talking out of your arse

actually argue with what I've said or stfu

[viewtiful_alan]

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

HATE - the fact that I missed out on seeing Keiji Haino in Houston this past weekend.

Oh shit... I forgot all about that.. : (.

[Glice]

Originally Posted by viewtiful_alan

actually argue with what I've said or stfu

It was probably something to do with trying to invoke a heirarchy of anger in music which is rationally untenable and largely hyperbolic at odds with the generally very personal associations of 'anger' within music. Viz, I hear Black Flag and hear bored Americans. I hear other things and hear rage. Doesn't mean it's there for you or absent for me, just it's a bit of a non-sequitur.

I should've thought that much was obvious.

[viewtiful_alan]

It wasn't just anger, more just pure intensity and genuineness than anything.

[✌➬]

Originally Posted by viewtiful_alan

A band as genuinley angry as say.. Black Flag couldn't exist in today's musical climate. The anger that you heard in those records and live came from shitty touring conditions, the frustrations of living from dollar to dollar, and an overall state of alienation... all of those things are taken away by the easy accesability and use of the internet.

The internet has taken away the need for extensive guerilla promotion (another interesting facet of the Flag), for a band to be truly hated but still try, in essence it takes some of the passion and effort out of making music. Sure its a great convenience and takes away some of the above mentioned troubles, but on an artistic level, I'm gonna have to dispute the helpfulness of the internet.

The internet really really takes away some of the joy of finding things through exploring, I'd much rather find a band by taking a chance at a record store, rather than clicking on some band's site because I saw that it got a million hits.

And with the internet being the defining object of everything these days, music included, I'm gonna classify this as an argument against music's current path.

I agree with T&B.

[Sheriff Rhys Chatham]

Originally Posted by nicfit

I hate the fact that there's no way I could keep up with all the releases put out by bands I like.

I actually love this. I never run out of stuff I like.

[Glice]

Originally Posted by viewtiful_alan

It wasn't just anger, more just pure intensity and genuineness than anything.

'Intensity' and 'genuineness' still mean nothing lad. Not laying into you or 'owt, just suggesting that not everyone agrees with you. 'Genuineness' really means fuck all. I've met a handful of big bands (no name-dropping, I'm afraid) and most successful/ career musicians are entirely honest, earnest, and genuine about what they do, regardless of whether that come through to you as an individual. I have absolutely no doubt that Celine Dion genuinely believes the music she makes to be amazing and true and genuine and 'good'.

[acousticrock87]

Originally Posted by Glice

'Intensity' and 'genuineness' still mean nothing lad. Not laying into you or 'owt, just suggesting that not everyone agrees with you. 'Genuineness' really means fuck all. I've met a handful of big bands (no name-dropping, I'm afraid) and most successful/ career musicians are entirely honest, earnest, and genuine about what they do, regardless of whether that come through to you as an individual. I have absolutely no doubt that Celine Dion genuinely believes the music she makes to be amazing and true and genuine and 'good'.

I like this perspective. Bigtime musicians also have to more-or-less put their well-being at stake when they sign their souls over to a label, and that takes sincerity and dedication.

[viewtiful_alan]

I get what your saying.
I don't know, maybe I'm just one of those idiots who thinks everything was better way back when. There is good music now, just very little of it hits me like most of those old albums do.

[acousticrock87]

I don't know, modern music trends confuse me. People adore John Mayer in the popular world, and despise him underground. Jeff Buckley is virtually ignored by pop listeners, and worshipped underground. In reality, they're pretty equally talented and not all that different stylistically. It's not about "good" or "bad" or even "style" anymore. There are too many elements that affect us unknowingly.