[atsonicpark]

Dead-Air, I'm actually talking about that one Glenn Branca track which is just John Cage talking about Branca for like 30 minutes and saying how terrible he is. Cage sounded like a pompous dickhead. I've only heard one other interview with Cage besides that and he seemed like a dick. No big deal, just sayin'.

[Dead-Air]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Dead-Air, I'm actually talking about that one Glenn Branca track which is just John Cage talking about Branca for like 30 minutes and saying how terrible he is. Cage sounded like a pompous dickhead. I've only heard one other interview with Cage besides that and he seemed like a dick. No big deal, just sayin'.

Huh, I'd never heard of that track. I always find that sort of thing unfortunate when one artist spends a lot of energy dissing another. I can see where you're coming from then. Is it on a particular Branca album?

[Glice]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

I disagree with this. Noise music is repellent and extreme to a lot of people, what some musicians (few I imagine) who try to put themselves above it all think is another thing altogether. Judging it by the sort of crowds that go to these sort of gigs or listen to a lot of it is one thing, playing it in front of 'normal' people is another thing altogether.

Yeah, I'm with you on that... I think the point I was making is that criticising noise at this point in history is a bit like the Daily Mail 'modern art isn't art' brigade. It's here, it's art, deal with it. It's fine to not like it, but dismissing it entirely is just critically rubbish. I'm more trying to undermine the reverence of noise fans rather than trying to explain what's good about it.

[Dead-Air]

Originally Posted by Glice

Yeah, I'm with you on that... I think the point I was making is that criticising noise at this point in history is a bit like the Daily Mail 'modern art isn't art' brigade. It's here, it's art, deal with it. It's fine to not like it, but dismissing it entirely is just critically rubbish. I'm more trying to undermine the reverence of noise fans rather than trying to explain what's good about it.

There was this really awesome industrial (as in EN style, not NIN style) band in Seattle in the late '80s to early '90s called the Metaphonics, and they had this hilarious song called, "I don't know what I like, but I know what art is!"

For some tangential reason, your post reminded me of that (though I'm going even further off topic now...)

[Rob Instigator]

I think they are all pompous dickheads. it is part of being avant garde in NYC. you have to be an asshole or something. hahahah!

[Trasher02]

Originally Posted by blunderbuss

Are there any modern noise artists have recorded a totally silent piece ? They'd get my vote for best ever.

DID I ALREADY MENTION THAT JOHN CAGE DID THIS?

[atsonicpark]

Dead-Air, you can read about the track here:

http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/sho...ight=john+cage

It also reminded me that John Cage hated Harry Partch, the most innovative composer maybe ever.

[Rob Instigator]

the most innovative composer ever was Johannes Sebastian Bach.

and he was rocking his shit 400 yers ago damnit!

[greedrex]

i dunno if the term "ROCK HIS SHIT" really apllies to JS Bach.

ha ha
o well

MOZART ROCKS MY COCK!!!!

[batreleaser]

Originally Posted by fugazifan

it was 4:33
four minutes 33 seconds long. notaded silence.
people seem to forget that cage had many other works besides 433.

true, I'm just not a huge fan is all I'm trying to say, not my thing.

[batreleaser]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

Stop pretending that you love music and start enjoying it. You secretly hate most of it, therefore make it sound boring when you have to write about it. You should be made to hate all of it for one day and then understand ''things''. Also, you have no durable place in the world of writing, 'cause you're writing is shit, etilist, pointless, and ultimately yawnsome for anyone who would like to get into any of the artists I'm sure you don't even listen to properly yourself.

Listen man, I'm one of the most excepting of people's opinions on here, and I constantly am pointing out that people should listen to whatever the hell they want, you on the other hand seem to attack anyone who brings up a band or whatever that isn't commonly discussed on here. Listen, I am not trying to call you out, you write thing I find fun to read sometimes. But you consistently call me out and talk shit when everyone else just gives a decent response to the thread. I don't hate anything really, even music I don't like, I seldom say I hate, except for the later Cure albums. Right now, I'm listening to Pere Ubu's "The Modern Dance", before that, the newish Skaters LP, before that Van Morrison's "Veedon Fleece". You don't have much right calling me out as someone who doesn't love the music I speak on or write on, shit you don't even know me, man.

[batreleaser]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

Can anyone with a degree of good knowledge make an extentive list of any odiern noise band etc worth listening to from a point of view that isn't just their own personal taste? You know, with a little explanation as to why one should check the music out and why it stands out from the rest. I'm thinking of people like DJ Rick or people who probably post rarely on here. I'd appreciate that, since all this talk about John Cage is interesting but not related to anything particularly relevant to the threads's title.

That's the whole point I'm trying to make. With Noise there isn't anything really definitive. The average Noise review is just surrealistic mumbo jumbo. The music is very personal and therefore difficuilt to write from an objective standpoint. It's easier to write on how Noise makes you feel personally than what the music actually does.

[greedrex]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

you have no durable place in the world of writing, 'cause you're writing is shit, etilist, pointless,

this is too rough, play nice.
who in hell are you to give people this kind of shit????!!!!

[Glice]

Originally Posted by Dead-Air

"I don't know what I like, but I know what art is!"

Ha. That's as fitting a phrase for my tombstone as any...

[fugazifan]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

the most innovative composer ever was Johannes Sebastian Bach.

and he was rocking his shit 400 yers ago damnit!

actually.... *start being a music snob*
but while bach was brilliant, he was not considered to be a very innovative composer for his time. his true brilliance was he took inspiration from all kinds of music from opera to 16th century counterpoint (ars antiiqua)
im not saying that he wasnt great. but as for pure innpovations there were much more innovative composers before him.

[SYRFox]

Originally Posted by fugazifan

actually.... *start being a music snob*
but while bach was brilliant, he was not considered to be a very innovative composer for his time. his true brilliance was he took inspiration from all kinds of music from opera to 16th century counterpoint (ars antiiqua)
im not saying that he wasnt great. but as for pure innpovations there were much more innovative composers before him.

the most innovative composer ever was Cro-Magnon.

and he was rocking his shit 40000 yers ago damnit!

[Glice]

Originally Posted by fugazifan

actually.... *start being a music snob*
but while bach was brilliant, he was not considered to be a very innovative composer for his time. his true brilliance was he took inspiration from all kinds of music from opera to 16th century counterpoint (ars antiiqua)
im not saying that he wasnt great. but as for pure innpovations there were much more innovative composers before him.

But Bach is better than anyone else, we're agreed on that, right?

Actually, Radio 3 seems to be exploring the non-J.S Bachs lately, and I'm developing a fondness for CPE. Should I worry?

[batreleaser]

yeah Bach was conventional in his time, just really really brethtakingly good.

Originally Posted by batreleaser

Listen man, I'm one of the most excepting of people's opinions on here, and I constantly am pointing out that people should listen to whatever the hell they want, you on the other hand seem to attack anyone who brings up a band or whatever that isn't commonly discussed on here. Listen, I am not trying to call you out, you write thing I find fun to read sometimes. But you consistently call me out and talk shit when everyone else just gives a decent response to the thread. I don't hate anything really, even music I don't like, I seldom say I hate, except for the later Cure albums. Right now, I'm listening to Pere Ubu's "The Modern Dance", before that, the newish Skaters LP, before that Van Morrison's "Veedon Fleece". You don't have much right calling me out as someone who doesn't love the music I speak on or write on, shit you don't even know me, man.

shut the fuck up.

Originally Posted by batreleaser

That's the whole point I'm trying to make. With Noise there isn't anything really definitive. The average Noise review is just surrealistic mumbo jumbo. The music is very personal and therefore difficuilt to write from an objective standpoint. It's easier to write on how Noise makes you feel personally than what the music actually does.

Isn't that true about any music? Anyway, apart from this nonsense, this forum could seriously do with people who specialise in something and really know their shit, instead of this continuous incoherent drivel.