[Savage Clone]

If you really loved the guitar you would hate SRV for what he did to it.

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

I would rather be known as a musical thief than to be known as someone who thought SRV's guitar stylings were "dope."

[ricechex]

The again, all musicians are thiefs.

[Everyneurotic]

hey, don't bad mouth srv, at least the first two albums have some great songs.

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

If by good song you mean 3 minutes of a guy trying very hard to be the next Jimi Hendrix and failing miserably, then yes.

[Everyneurotic]

you've obviously never listened to a stevie ray song.

[soapbars]

i dont need to eat shit to know i dont like it

[Everyneurotic]

i was refering especifically to julian, numbnuts.

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

I've listened to a bunch.

Wanking and singing.

He totally wanted to be Jimi Hendrix- bluesy guitar playing, big flaring outfits, stratocaster, fuzz face, wah wah pedal, octavia, univibe.

[Cantankerous]

Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead

If by good song you mean 3 minutes of a guy trying very hard to be the next Jimi Hendrix and failing miserably, then yes.

finally someone has seen the light.

[Everyneurotic]

look man, i understand you not liking srv but saying he wanted to be hendrix is plain wrong.

saying he was "a guy trying very hard to be the next Jimi Hendrix and failing miserably" is like saying david bowie is a guy trying very hard to appropiate the rolling stones' songbook and desperately acting like iggy pop light and failing miserably. or that sonic youth are a band trying very hard to be the velvet underground and failling miserably.

stevie played thru like 10 different amps live and his sound was very different from hendrix's. how many indie tossers have the same pedals and guitars lee and thurston (and j mascis and etc. etc.) have and still sound different from them, generalizing about something like that is like rejecting to listen to any band who plays a les paul, which is very stupid.

besides, saying srv was ripping off hendrix is denying hendrix "broke new ground", didn't he played and pioneer like ten thousand music styles and didn't just play blues?

come to think of it, most of hendrix's solos, except those on band of gypsies, sound like someone trying really hard to play like jeff beck and/or eric clapton and, well, not 'failing' but overdoing it and becoming tiresome and boring.

still, that's my opinion of hendrix, i'm not stating it's some god given truth (although he did rip off clapton and beck), you can not like stevie ray but stating things that are not true at all is just wrong.

and still, i'm not stevie's biggest fan, i just like some of his songs and appreciate him.

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

Please give me an example of him being innovative.

There was a much more southern style to his guitar playing than Hendrix's, but a lot of that style of stuff (Pride and Joy, Texas Flood) was already being done by black blues guitarists, and he was just bringing it to a white mainstream artist in a less soulful way.

Maybe SRV isn't a complete Jimi ripoff, but you got to admit, SRV had a pretty big hard on for Jimi and was heavily influenced by him. Sort of like GNR to Led Zeppelin.

[Everyneurotic]

Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead

Please give me an example of him being innovative.

There was a much more southern style to his guitar playing than Hendrix's, but a lot of that style of stuff (Pride and Joy, Texas Flood) was already being done by black blues guitarists, and he was just bringing it to a white mainstream artist in a less soulful way.

see? i agree with most of the second part of this post.

but first, i didn't say he was innovative, i said that if you call stevie a hendrix rip off, then that's saying hendrix only played blues with a few touches of other styles, instead of immersing himself into music that defied genres and all that.

of course, stevie ray wasn't innovative, but neither were john lee hooker or howling wolf, he's just interpreting the blues the way he saw it, just like much of the old guard of bluesmen. now, i'm not saying he's as good as them, far from it, but he could play some good songs. i don't know about less soulful, i think he was soulful plenty, one of my complains about srv in general is the production, too slick; if dude came out later or earlier, his stuff would've been grittier and would help him seem more soulful.

and well, i used to hate sonic youth because all their fans were either snobby dumb rock critics or dumbass hipsters; then i realized it's probably not their fault and decided to give them a listen, i'm happy i did. it's not stevie's fault his fans were who they were and if you have a problem with the whole "whites listening to blues" thing, go find john hammond's grave and piss on it, also don't forget to send letterbombs to the stones, dylan, clapton, etc. because they also started that, back in the 60's.

[Cantankerous]

dylan was undefinable. he has no specific sound.
stevie ray is a rip off artist.

[Everyneurotic]

he was influenced by blues artists, talked about them on interviews, white folks found out and bought black folk's blues records.

that was the intention of what i said in that post.

[Rob Instigator]

stevie ray ripped off noone. he dressed like jimi but he playedlike an amalgasm of his idols, whichg is what every one does. jimi included. tons of texas blues men exist all feeding each other and all influencing each other. Stevie Ray Vaughn was distinctive. his guitar playing is distinctive. when you hear him you know it is him. blues is not a medium heavy on innovation, more like inspiration and self expressions. the innovations are subtle. so your statements about him being derivative just show your lack of knowledge bout the blues and electric blues guitar.

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by Cantankerous

dylan was undefinable. he has no specific sound.
stevie ray is a rip off artist.

whiny nasal voice is pretty damn definable!

the traveling wilburys man, traveling wilburys

[Cantankerous]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

whiny nasal voice is pretty damn definable!

the traveling wilburys man, traveling wilburys

the traveling wilburys..ehh.


MOTORHEAD!

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by Cantankerous

the traveling wilburys..ehh.


MOTORHEAD!

I agree!!! Motorhead!!!!

[ricechex]

I agree with who ever is down with Stevie Ray Vaughn, damn it. Are u kidding me, Stevie Ray Vaughn? He was amazing. He was more electric and full of energy than most blues players can ever hope to be. He brought so much fire to blues and pumped it to eleven. Ask the more traditional blues players about Stevie. I doubt you'd hear anything but praise.