[Johnny American]

Originally Posted by killthecaliforniagirls

totally agree with you alex_could. I really miss the creativity of o´Rourke. He had such a good influence on the music of sonic youth. It´s so strange to recognize that there are only about 3 or 4 people in here with a similar impress of the eternal. by the way i´m a "newbie", too and i totally don´t have a clue why this fact matters to anything.

I'd also like to say: Jim was king. If he's responsible for making "Free City Rhymes" cohesive, for getting them to rehearse and write as a band again like he did on Sonic Nurse and also I believe Murray Street, which you know ... WHY did they ever stop doing that? (and those are two of their greatest song collections if not their best albums, though MS is a favorite of mine) ... and his solo work is just awe-inspiring sometimes. Good points, guys.

Also ... The Eternal love is from people (like ourselves!) who are total die-hards because they actually bothered to pre-order the album, and so ... the love is strong right now. I think some more level-headed fans are going to come along when the album is actually out and, maybe not be as disappointed as we are (because ... we love 'em) but definitely knock down this absurd, "Wow, they're rockin' again!" or, "This reveals things on the third listen!" as if that necessarily means a quality, successful album.

[alex_could]

Washing Machine and Murray Street are my favourites. When I 1st heard Sonic Nurse I thought that it's the band that won't let me down ever. I thought wrong, here's The Eternal!

Btw look at "Pay No Mind" cover! They're like saying: "We can make shit but you will still love it". No way.

[harlock_jds]

I think it's interesting that most people who really dislike this album are fans of their more recent albums. Personally i always thought they've been too for a while (starting back with Goo but really picking up post ATL), not saying they've been bad albums but i always liked the rawer sound (for example i don't like Goo but i love the Goo 8 track demos... i think it's their best album).

Is this part of the problem? people wanting the continued 'phishyness' of their recent work and the band dipping back?

[killthecaliforniagirls]

strange to tell you this guys but i´m kind of happy that i found you here. i feel completely the same. Achtually Free City Rhymes is my favourite song by SY. I listen to it over and over again. I had a same feeling with sympathy for the strawberry. I can´t imagine how people are able to write these songs. In my opinion only CAN had some similar moments. And yes i also thought that SY is the band that would never dissapoint me. I totally understand why they stopped doing that because that is the only way to come over to the next point. Maybe "The Eternal" is a passage to something new just like "Experimental jet set" was. BUT it wouldn´t make a difference to my opinion.

[killthecaliforniagirls]

excuse my bad english and i really really LOVE sister, goo, dirty, Evol and bad moon rising.

[alex_could]

And for "listen again and you'll like it eventually". It makes sense when you don't understand smth from first listenings. But here it's different, everything is clear: obviously it's a very weak record. Interesting how it'll be rated on Pitchfork.

Hey, german guy! I attended CAN's drummer (Jaki Liebezeit, right?) concert several days ago!!! I like CAN much!!!

And I also appreciate SY older records.

[_slavo_]

As Low once sang in one of their songs:
"Too many words, too many words"

[alex_could]

Indeed! Why words at forum?

Fuuuuuck!!! and roooock!!! must be enough! And also huge pictures-signatures.

[_slavo_]

Originally Posted by alex_could

Fuuuuuck!!! and roooock!!! must be enough! And also huge pictures-signatures.

Privet, molodec.

[Theremin]

Gotta love these leak day topics:

"OMG this is like the most uninspired record ever I hope Pitchfork will pan it!!"
"No wai, this fucking destroys everything they made the last two decades"
etc.
Can't we just treat the Eternal as the solid, yet not insta-classic addition to the SY catalogue it actually is?

[wellcharge]

Originally Posted by Johnny American

for god's sake, don't listen to any kind of bluesy or folk music or retrograde 90s rock music. Listen to interesting stuff that blows your mind; go for Dirty Projectors or Fiery Furnaces or Animal Collective's more adventurous stuff instead of Dinosaur Jr. or Awesome Color or Be Your Own Pet, for crying out loud. And investigate actual new rhythms other than Neu!'s krautrock beat spiced up with some sloppily-on-the-dime stops. Return to the method of working that produced one of the best and longest runs in music history; save your band, guys.

haha

blues,folk,dinosaur jr: bad

fiery furnaces, animal colelctive: good

lol

[alex_could]

I won't love their previous records less of course. I'm just confused with The Eternal. And their catalogue would be better without it!

[Theremin]

Originally Posted by alex_could

I won't love their previous records less of course. I'm just confused with The Eternal. And their catalogue would be better without it!

Maybe we should give this stuff some time before making any harsh statements?

[nicfit]

Originally Posted by Theremin

Can't we just treat the Eternal as the solid, yet not insta-classic addition to the SY catalogue it actually is?

And why you should be the one with the "right" opinion ?
a hahah ah a I'm kidding, I'm enjoying the semi-trollish proliferation of posts/threads about these things.

Tomorrow I'll enjoy them less, most likely, and care about something else.

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

Originally Posted by alex_could

And for "listen again and you'll like it eventually". It makes sense when you don't understand smth from first listenings. But here it's different, everything is clear: obviously it's a very weak record. Interesting how it'll be rated on Pitchfork.

Hey, german guy! I attended CAN's drummer (Jaki Liebezeit, right?) concert several days ago!!! I like CAN much!!!

And I also appreciate SY older records.

It's pretty ignorant to assume you can hear what the people who like it are hearing.

[alex_could]

And I like Fiery Furnaces and Animal Collective too!

Both songs of Fiery Furnaces and from The Eternal are crooked. But first crooks are adventurous and latter - ugly.

[amerikangod]

Why isn't it clear to everyone else that all of these new posters that suddenly sprung up with negative opinions of 'The Eternal' and with the exact same opinions (which they then pat each other on the back for sharing) are all actually Jim O'Rourke?


I had a hunch at first, but it became as clear as day when they started singing his praises.

You've been uncovered Jim. Nice try.

[alex_could]

Okay guys, it's interesting with you but 1/3 of Jim O'Rourke has to go to sleep now. See you tomorrow, cheers!!!

[_slavo_]

Originally Posted by amerikangod

You've been uncovered Jim. Nice try.

Jim O'Rourke does not live in St.Petersburg, Sherlock.

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

That doesn't mean anything. He could be lying.

I don't see why Jim would be upset about The Eternal. His influence over the band is far more apparent on The Eternal than on Rather Ripped IMO.