[cryptowonderdruginvogue]

this is a tough one.
i gotta go with zappa though.


oh and khchris: can you please stop typing
LIKE THIS????


kthxdieban

[khchris(original)]

just my opinion:

what sets Zappa from the rest of the world(captain beefheart included) is Zappa's dada sensabilities, satire, comedy as well as social statements that he makes in his music while pushing music to areas that weren't explored earlier on and perfecting what he intends to do. the guy was a pefectionist, but knew how to have fun, make statements, make fun or whatever. as far as being a musician, he was incredibly talented obviously on guitar, but also compositionally structuring music and compositions with much more complexity than we've seen any rock musician.

Zappa's also been consistent throughout his career, changing his music with the times.

we're comparing Zappa, who has a world of a catalog against a guy who was just a vocalist that helped structure compositions with his poetry.

as far as being a lyricist, beefheart wins. as far as writing music and being a musician, captain beefheart would also vote for Zappa over himself. no contest.

it's just a shame that one of the most incredibly talented and well respected artists of our time doesn't get the respect because he's not "obscure and underground".

for those who don't know very much about Zappa, you're really missing out.

i hope this thread peaks some of your interests in finding out about Frank Zappa, regardless if you like Captain Beefheart more.

[cryptowonderdruginvogue]

thanks for not typing all crazy-like.

and yeah, listen to more zappa you bastards

[porkmarras]

Originally Posted by cryptowonderdruginvogue

thanks for not typing all crazy-like.

and yeah, listen to more zappa you bastards

Oh we've got creepy taste in music too?I see.

[sonicl]

Neither of them do much for me.

[atari 2600]

look here, brother
who you jammin' with that cosmik debris?
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& the torchum neva stops

[against_the_grain]

Originally Posted by toxic johnny

This is exactly how I feel whenever I read Khchris...
have heard Lumpy Gravy, Bongo Fury, Zoot Allures, Hot Rats and doubtless a few others that I can't remember. So my question to all you Frankophiles out there is what should I listen to next?... What is the album that will make me see the light?

Try a mid-period of his jazzy band.......This is one I put on for many first time new Zappa fans...

 

http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/d...php?rev=fz-rae

this site has good reviews for several Zappa albums...'solo' and MOI and various incarnations of the Mothers.

[Savage Clone]

Call me crazy, but I don't think Beefheart is really any more "obscure" or "underground" than Zappa by this point.
This is a fairly apples-vs-oranges poll in any case, and they have both made good and lame records.

[Cantankerous]

Originally Posted by against_the_grain

Try a mid-period of his jazzy band.......This is one I put on for many first time new Zappa fans...

 

http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/d...php?rev=fz-rae

this site has good reviews for several Zappa albums...'solo' and MOI and various incarnations of the Mothers.

That one is great.

Savage Clone, you are dead on about that.

[gmku]

The thing is, there ain't that much difference between apples and oranges.

[trance feeeedback]

 

this is the only zappa record I have, I bought cheap, because I thought the cover was cool, there is some pretty funny stuff on there, but I have only listened to it a few times.

[gmku]

I have several Beef but only one Zappa - Hot Rats, which I love.

I'm not closing my mind to Zappa. Just cuz he's not in my collection today doesn't mean I won't open up to his work later on. I didn't get into Beefheart until relatively late in my record collecting career, and I love it. So who knows.

[against_the_grain]

Kinda looks like that girl is jerking off Frank, doesn't it ?

[Savage Clone]

Originally Posted by gmku

The thing is, there ain't that much difference between apples and oranges.

Yeah...They're both fruits!

[gmku]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

Yeah...They're both fruits!

Exactly!

[against_the_grain]

Originally Posted by gmku

I have several Beef but only one Zappa - Hot Rats, which I love.

I'm not closing my mind to Zappa. Just cuz he's not in my collection today doesn't mean I won't open up to his work later on. I didn't get into Beefheart until relatively late in my record collecting career, and I love it. So who knows.

And when you DO.....you'll find a super extensive catalog. The variety is there to find something you like...try sampling first before going out and buying his 80 million releases !! Ha !

I love to find a band, new or old, that I have so much to catch up on !! It's exciting !

[gmku]

Yeah. I used to own Joe's Garage. But I remember thinking some of the humor was kind of juvenile, so I got rid of it. If I get into Zappa, I'll probably go for his instrumental stuff. His verbal gags have never done much for me.

[against_the_grain]

Originally Posted by gmku

Yeah. I used to own Joe's Garage. But I remember thinking some of the humor was kind of juvenile, so I got rid of it. If I get into Zappa, I'll probably go for his instrumental stuff. His verbal gags have never done much for me.

I agree mostly with the 'moronic' lyric dissing of some of his work. I really couldn't care less about WHAT he says, 'cept alot of his earlier social commentary and through most of the 70s. But the later 70s, into the 80s...didn't do it for me.

However his MUSIC is so great in my book.

If you're looking for more instrumental...I recommend that site I sited...the albums....Waka Jawaka, Hot Rats (you have already), The Grand Wazoo...much of Burnt Weenie Sandwich and some of Weasels Ripped my Flesh and Chunga's Revenge. Uncle Meat has some great instrumentals too...for the early Mothers. The early 70s had Flo and Eddie..who I dont really get into...but the album 'Just another band from LA' with them is a hoot !!

The 'shut up and play your guitar' series is good...but abit tedious. I happen to love the solos they highlight...but I prefer whole tunes in full context.

[khchris(original)]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

Call me crazy, but I don't think Beefheart is really any more "obscure" or "underground" than Zappa by this point.
This is a fairly apples-vs-oranges poll in any case, and they have both made good and lame records.

seriously? ask anyone in congress who frank zappa is and they'll know atleast the face and that he's a musician.

nobody in congress has a clue who captain beefheart is, they'd probably think he was a pirate or something at disneyland.

WE know of captain beefheart, and for the record, his records didn't sell at all, but everyone knows frank zappa.


totally different. try listening to zappa & mothers. totally different than captain beefheard/magic band. not even close.

[Savage Clone]

Originally Posted by khchris(original)

totally different. try listening to zappa & mothers. totally different than captain beefheard/magic band. not even close.

Hence my apples-and-oranges remark.

Wait, did I just reply to you?
Sorry about that.