[noisereductions]

louder is a pretty bitch.

[boxofburton]

Killer Mike fucking killed it, not digging Ab-Soul though, which is a letdown because Kendrick Lamar is so good

[Severian]

Originally Posted by louder

obviously cool lil weirdos like Juvenile, Master P, Lil B, Waka Flocka & Gucci Mane got classics. they might not be able to rap on the same technical level as Eminem, but artistically they're so much better IMO.

i think it's newbies to hip-hop/music in general who fail to realize this. writing them off completely just makes them look ignorant and narrow minded. i mean let's be reality, in 2012 it's already safe to claim that Based God is the hip-hop equivalent of Captain Beefheart & Sun Ra.

I'm going to have to disagree here. I am no newbie, but Masta P is like a bad TV sitcom; great marketing, but that's about it. I'm afraid I tend to write him off. Not out of a bias for boisterous rappers, but because I respect hip-hop as an artform. Frankly, I think even Puff Daddy (using old moniker, because "P Diddy" is more relevant to the business world than to music) had more musical chops than Mr. P.

I can get on board with most of your opinions about hip-hop, but repping the "No Limit Soljas" of the late '90s is just a bit too much for me. Sorry.

For the record, Puff Daddy is a giant tool who's greatest and only respectable achievement was being part of Biggies rise to fame. He's a Vh1 reality douche, and his fragrances and clothing lines are an affront to good taste. Costume accessories for people who want to be douchebags for Halloween.

[louder]

i just dropped a few names and that lead people to catch feelings, sorry. my point was basically, rappers don't always have to be the most technically gifted to make memorable records (though if you look at my top 25, i actually think you'll only find above average rappers..).

Originally Posted by Severian

For the record, Puff Daddy is a giant tool who's greatest and only respectable achievement was being part of Biggies rise to fame. He's a Vh1 reality douche, and his fragrances and clothing lines are an affront to good taste. Costume accessories for people who want to be douchebags for Halloween.

i like the two Biggie albums, Diddy's debut and especially Ma$e's debut. plus his team did most of the production on American Gangster. that's about it. but yeah, Diddy is ignorant as fuck, a snake and probably not a very good rapper. but he's funny, and his impact on hip-hop/R&B is overlooked.

[louder]

Originally Posted by Severian

You should do a weekly hip-hop thread, louder. I know there's a general one already, but I think a lot of is would like to see one with a hip-hop focus. You're the wo/man for the job.

weekly would be too much, but monthly might be a good idea. the next few months are going to be very interesting (so you better get your ass to hear some of these upcoming projects, NR!!). and btw i'm a guy lol, though i suppose my avatar can be deceiving.

Originally Posted by noisereductions

louder is a pretty bitch.

lol

[noisereductions]

Originally Posted by an evening with viewtiful

Master P, to me, is the hip hop equivalent of watching a Roger Corman movie. Its loud and dumb with little to no meaning, but I'm having fun anyways.

you're on to something... I don't know if Corman is exactly it. The thing about P is that he just basically was like "ok this is what's hot this year, so I'm gonna mimmic it." He's like renting Snakes On A Train from Blockbuster instead of seeing Snakes On A Plane in the theater. It's still amusing, just not quite as good.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by louder

i just dropped a few names and that lead people to catch feelings, sorry. my point was basically, rappers don't always have to be the most technically gifted to make memorable records (though if you look at my top 25, i actually think you'll only find above average rappers..).


i like the two Biggie albums, Diddy's debut and especially Ma$e's debut. plus his team did most of the production on American Gangster. that's about it. but yeah, Diddy is ignorant as fuck, a snake and probably not a very good rapper. but he's funny, and his impact on hip-hop/R&B is overlooked.

Oddly, I actually kind of enjoy his personality. It's fun to watch him interact with people. He's strangely compelling. Ah... I'm probably condemning myself here, but it's perfectly sensible. I just can't explain it.

I mean he's obviously a total douche (he's not "cool" to any demographic, and- really- who the fuck listens to BadBoy anymore anyway? Do you know anybody who listens to anyone on BadBoy? I don't) but you get the sense that he know he's a douche and is playing it up.

I thank him for Biggie. Specifically the cheeseball production on "Juicy," which is all the more awesome for its cheesiness. But yes, he's an awful rapper and a media manipulator of the highest degree. I don't even know if he "makes music" anymore. Occasionally I pass a Sean-Jean fragrance in the mall and am shocked that anyone would pay such an outrageous price for a product of such embarrassing origin. That's all he is to me at this point. Now that I don't have a tv to watch Vh1 on, that is.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by noisereductions

you're on to something... I don't know if Corman is exactly it. The thing about P is that he just basically was like "ok this is what's hot this year, so I'm gonna mimmic it." He's like renting Snakes On A Train from Blockbuster instead of seeing Snakes On A Plane in the theater. It's still amusing, just not quite as good.

Here's how I see it:

Puffy is the kind of celebrity who stars in his own reality shows.

Masta P is the kind of celebrity who sometimes shows up on a judging panel for America's Got Talent.

They're both trash, but at least Puffy has something of a legacy.

[an evening with viewtiful]

P. Diddy made his money aping old radio hits (without a hint of originality added) and getting mediocre rappers (and one great one) to spit meaningless shit over them.

He gave hip hop a bad name that it still has a hard time recovering from

[noisereductions]

Originally Posted by an evening with viewtiful

P. Diddy made his money aping old radio hits (without a hint of originality added) and getting mediocre rappers (and one great one) to spit meaningless shit over them.

He gave hip hop a bad name that it still has a hard time recovering from

pretty much agree.

[louder]

Puffy interludes on albums always bring the lulz tho.
not that Birdman or any other greedy motherfucker don't.

also, no love for Mase here? he used to be so dope.

[louder]

Originally Posted by boxofburton

Killer Mike fucking killed it, not digging Ab-Soul though, which is a letdown because Kendrick Lamar is so good

Kendrick is a better MC, indeed. Ab-Soul's album is solid though, the dark vibe and introspective subjects he addresses hit the right spot for me. Schoolboy's album is very good too.

i'd say, Kendrick > Schoolboy >>> Ab-Soul.

[Severian]

No. No love for Ma$e. Though he was better by far than Mr. Diddy.

I admit that I still hum the shit out of the big singles from that era, whether they're truly great hip hop or not. But man what a change it was for the hip hop Zeitgeist. We went from the Chronic and Doggystyle to that.

Biggies death was more lucrative for Puffy than Kurt's was for Courtney. Poor bastard. Led to more bad music too.

(Btw: "Diddy" is recognized as a word by my autocorrect. That's unsettling)

[louder]

haha well you see, his laid back flow is kinda why i like him.

[Rob Instigator]

Ma$e fucked so many underage girls and their mommas and ate so much shit outta Diddy's buttvalley that he had to flip out and get all supa church, to try to atone for his sick twisted satan shit and maybe not go to hell and fuck man

fuck BOTH those assholes

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

 

[the ikara cult]

The best thing about 50 cent is how Scottish people say his name

FUFTEH! FUFTEH! IN DA CLUB YA CUNT!

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

 

[the ikara cult]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

 

trapped in the closet?

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

 

"what da fuck are you tryin to say about the closet?"