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You're never going to stop human beings from wanting to kill each other, unfortunately it's in our nature. What we can and should do is to try and make it as difficult as possible for those with a prediliction for psycopathy to obtain the weapons needed to carry out these acts of mayhem. Especially weapons that can kill a lot of people in a very short time. Giving any citizen the right to own and use a gun, no matter what their mental state or criminal record is just not sensible.
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I think we should make it more difficult for anyone to obtain firearms and that it's basically ridiculous that anyone can buy instruments of murder at gun shows so easily. The Second Amendment is in desperate need constitutional reform and has been for years, but the gun manufacturers have lawmakers firmly in their pockets.
If you want this to change, please write your representatives. http://www.house.gov/writerep/ http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html A really good friend of mine goes up to Blacksburg to see friends and ballgames at VA Tech all the time, and his friends know some of the victims, so these shootings hit close to home. |
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I will say this again this happen because this man was not able to cope with the pressure life has put on him.
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i dont think that more cameras and more security are the solution. i would rather not live my life in a state of fear locked inside my house.
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Its kinda sad. Why the hell did they shoot them anyways?/?? Maybe to make them look cool or to make CNN??
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i do feel safer in some respects in having cameras around but i was making apoint about the bigger picture.
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interesting where the topic lead here
i am sure if you saw the video clip on cnn's site http://www.cnn.com/video/player/play....barghouti.cnn ......from a student in the middle of it all, there was a certainly a breakdown of the collaboration of the police and the local security, especially what appears to be some campus cops most likely (maybe swat) just standing around while gunfire is being exchanged in the distance, also there is certain breakdown of finding the shooter as the first shootings happened at about 7:15 this morning and then 2 hours later the same shooter went north to another part of the campus and killed more people. crisis management disarray as has been evidenced in other incidents from terrorist attacks to natural disasters at times is appalling |
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although whether I agree or not is moot, this is really the first post in this thread (and maybe of what I've seen of the entire debate) that offers any real action-to-solution. I don't recall seeing these links in your original post, and in fact only came back to read this thread again to see if you made an addendum. making your point without further direction didn't really seem your style. ![]() kudos. |
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Seriously. I find it funny that the ones calling for the most regulation are UK citizens, who's society is so fucked up it's both laughable and sad. Timothy McVeigh allegedly killed over 150 people using household chemicals that anyone can obtain. Let's ban farming, too. Also, it seems a lot of you non-Americans are quite ignorant about the gun laws here. In most states, it's not like any idiot can walk into a store and walk out with a WMD. I think you've all fallen for too much Michael Moore propaganda. What happened today is a tragedy, a severe one. But people who instantly cry for more laws and regulations, as though one bad apple should determine how the rest of the millions of humans in the US or elsewhere are forced to live their lives, are disgusting and diametrically opposed to personal freedom. And I still find Dunblane to be the most hideous mass-murder of school children in history, with the possible exception of the recent Amish school shooting in Pennsylvania. This is not a uniquely American phenomenon. All you can do is grieve. Writing your congressman is not going to make a shit of difference. I'm more curious to know how one person can pull over 30+ murders without being tackled by a group of guys. Flight 93 anyone? Also, what's the deal with all the cops and shooting going on? Methinks there's way more to this story than we have a right to be commenting upon at this moment, just as there's still much of the Columbine case that the majority of the public is completely unfamiliar with. |
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they dont even know who the shooter is/was yet
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no, I honestly don't. there is nothing that is going to change how things currently are. more so, I'm vehemently opposed to any extra governmental control. although I believe that guns are a means toward destruction I do not believe that they are the cause. killing people (even LOTS of people) only requires a little bit of ingenuity and a will to do so. banning guns would decrease the incidence of crime in the short-term. sooner or later some kook would find a way to kill LOADS of people using some new (and painfully simple) way. it wouldn't take long for the attention seekers to follow suit. that said....Atari at least offered a course of action based on his opinions. that's exponentially more constructive than a thousand posts on the subject. god I had to edit the fuck out of that....time to go back to work. ![]() |
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Why does having a camera around make you feel safer? A camera can't protect you when someone decides it's your time to die. All it will do is film your death. Surely the aim is to stop the crime from happening in the first place, not to let it happen and then use the footage to catch the criminal.
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oh, personally I have no input into any solution of this matter. I think the case is hopeless and the world is going down the shitter faster than we can pull it out. my comment isn't based on the effectiveness of this "solution" but the fact that one was given at all. although I do not think that it will do any good, telling your representatives how you feel means a lot more than telling me. I realize that Europeans are stuck being commentative bystanders in this instance...but at least he gave more than his opinion. just trying to give credit where it's due! |
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Yes but it does happen with alarming regularity in the US. 19 school shootings in the last 10 years I heard. Dunblane was a catalist for some pretty radical changes in the UK, and as far as I know there hasn't been a school shooting since. Yes I know there have been incidents with knives, but I'm concerned with what is happening in America, and at the moment the weapon of choice for those intent on killing is a gun. Just throwing your hands in the air and saying 'it's too difficult, so let's do nothing' is not the answer. Meet the problem head-on. Ban the private ownership of guns except in special circumstances. Hunters can store their guns in secure plces like police stations, collect them when they want to go hunting, and return them when they've finished. Target shooters can store their guns at gun clubs and not at home. Apart from these and maybe a couple of other categories that I can't think of right now, NO other private citizen should be allowed to own a gun. Banning guns will not stop humans from killing each other, but it will make it a lot more difficult.
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This whole 'hypocritical-Europeans-having-a-go-at-America' thing misses the point. While I still can't understand America's continued acceptance of firearms, i'm not therefore suggesting that Europe is some kind of violence-free utopia. All I do know is that if guns were made legal in the way that they are in the States, in a place like England, I dread to think how much worse it would be here.
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