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i'm not so much "political" as "civic-minded". at least at this point in my life. i don't like politics but regard them as necessary and try to at least do my part. SO, i've known about the clintons since they got into national politics and i knew a little bit about her arkansas days but back in the 90s a lot of that info was coming from right-wing propagandists like rush limbaugh & drudge & etc. e.g., what you hear about her in relation to watergate is that she was fired (complete bullshit), not that she ws gonna be a political star and chose to go to arkansas instead. so-- the part that i didn't knwo at all was her high school and college days-- how she stood up to a senator and made the cover of time magazine or how she patched people's heads at the democratic convention, etc. also i didn't know how the arkansans didn't like her for wearing glasses (!!) or not taking clinton's name (!!!) and how she had to go from being a smart 2nd wave feminist with a sharp mind for policy to posing as a cookie baker--this was mirrored during the clinton years and i was familiar with that, but i didn't know it was a pattern with the voters. and you know, there are still people who won't vote for her because she's a woman. which is very troubling. i gotta finish watching evil dead 2 right now so i can drop it in the mail before pickup time, so i'll leave this hanging here. |
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Wait... what?! Are we talking about the same Russia here? I don't think the attitude in the U.S. is actively hostile to Russia, but more hostile to Putin. And if you have an explanation regarding why this hostility is unwarranted, or perhaps to put it more accurately, unprovoked, I for one would love to hear it. I'm not anti-Russia, but Putin is a terrifying presence in world politics, and this is due not only to the conduct of his soldiers and his alleged involvement in civilian slaughtering airstrikes in Syria, but also to the loyalty he inexplicably inspires both in Russia and in other parts of the world. |
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10.15.2016, 12:33 PM | #1203 |
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if you're really interested in getting a different pov from what is usually reported in the US media about Russia, Stephen F. Cohen in the Nation magazine has a column now and again on it. He generally feels that our stigmatizing Russia for a lot of the problems in the East is not helpful.
here's an example https://www.thenation.com/article/wi...a-and-ukraine/ |
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im not going to waste my time outlining what is wrong with Putin's Russia. its not some Western conspiracy amplified by Western media, its a fact backed up by the past twenty years! folks can do their own HW or can wave Putin's flag not my business
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while i agree that the politicizing of it all in US is distasteful again Russia and Putin certainly aren't "good guys" in the world or even in Russia. further the growing tensions between West and Russia are totally understandable from a geopolitical standpoint, its a growing rivalry for supremacy in Europe, Middle East, and Asia where Russian influence is rising. i am not saying which side is "right" or "wrong", again I'm not sure there are any "good guys" in this, but i for one if you haven't noticed have been and will continue to be very critical of both Russia AND America, period
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Further its tone blatantly revealed its pro-Trump pro-Russia biases
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the tendency is of course for republicans to paint hillary with the worst brush possible because she's a smart independent woman and a feminist and they just can't stand her you can make up any sort of rumor and it will stick and gain support and each new rumor will be counted as a "confirmed source" |
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Putin is an unworthy ally and how am i wrong for reading this quote as having a proRussia tone? Quote:
ummmmm WTF? Donald Trump has openly accused the administration of "creating ISIS" in what universe is Trump promoted a joint coalition? what trump has said time and time again is more or less "Putin is right Obama is wrong" and THAT isn't a coalition, its kowtowing at its most debased. Quote:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA this is satire right? God help us and tell me this is satire
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that article is a dove like PM Chamberlain was
gee golly if only big mean America would just leave Assad alone to destroy his country and use military force against his political opposition and gosh darnit why can't Russia just be allowed to install puppet regimes all through out the nations its oil pipelines and transportation networks travel through?
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also didn't Trump say "i will destroy IsIs"???
yeah that is some Dove there
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well, the nation is an old-school radical left publication. it's what they do. i like them for some things.
the chamberlain comparison is at times apt, at times wrong-- it depends e.g., christopher hitchens used to write for them but they broke it off over iraq because when it came to saddam they were dovish like chamberlain, lol |
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im not criticizing the publication itself, just that particular article
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there have been few groups in history as definitively morally justifiable to murder as isis
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but the geopolitics of such a war are staggering, and the American experience in Iraq strongly suggests its a local problem that foreign intervention will only exasperate and complicate. to be sure, if Assad was actually fighting Isis and not just using them as an opportunity to fight against his political opposition and inflict terror on civilian populations to intimidate them into submitting to his unpopular and possibly illegal government then i might be somewhat sympathetic to that situation. Isis are bad dudes. BUT this war in Syria isn't about Isis at all, i mean, shit, THERE ARE ONLY 20,000 isis militiamen in the region, certainly if any military there actually WANTED to destroy them they would all be dead by now. Assad likes Isis its a convenient boogieman to scapegoat and blame. Russia likes Isis, it is fabulous propaganda opportunity
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