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anyway, looks like bloomberg qualifies for wednesday’s debate. the shit is about to hit the fan...

 

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Originally Posted by Derek

Oh yes of course it does

yes, of course it does:

"Let me be very clear: Anybody making personal attacks against anybody else in my name is not part of our movement. We don't want them." --Bernie Himself

video here:

https://mobile.twitter.com/NewsHour/...99025636904960

[ilduclo]

might get a chance to test the Sanders vs Trimp matchup

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Originally Posted by ilduclo

might get a chance to test the Sanders vs Trimp matchup

bernie by k.o.

fingers crossed

[Rob Instigator]

I do not believe in primaries. I find them a holdover from a past where communications were not instant and pervasive, and I find that what Primaries do is help consolidate the power in each Party with the established order of that party, and they very rarely, if ever, allow for fresh political blood to enter the system.

I also find it insane that people who vote in a primary are required to vote the same in the general election, as if 7 months could never change their mind about a candidate. fuck primaries.

fuck early voting. fuck early voting results.

Until the USA declares a complete and total holiday on election day, it will remain far easier for those with power, money, and prestige to take time off of work and go vote.

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

Until the USA declares a complete and total holiday on election day, it will remain far easier for those with power, money, and prestige to take time off of work and go vote.

YEEEEEEEEES yes yes yes yes. indeed, agree.

but, needs to be said, early voting helps circumvent that. we’ve been doing it for ages now.

[ilduclo]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

I also find it insane that people who vote in a primary are required to vote the same in the general election, as if 7 months could never change their mind about a candidate. fuck primaries.

that's not how they work

[ilduclo]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

bernie by k.o.

fingers crossed

if that's how it pans out, those are my hopes, too

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Originally Posted by ilduclo

if that's how it pans out, those are my hopes, too

check him out with latinos in nevada:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...st/ar-BB1058Nk

i love the last paragraph, the preceding one also quoted for context:

Maria Plasencia, 48, a nurse's assistant, planned to vote early, with Sanders as her top choice. She said she understood that the union workers have good insurance, but she said: "Those of us who don't work in the casino don't have good insurance. We pay a lot of money. I pay $200 every two weeks for my husband and me."

Asked about the criticism of Sanders as a socialist who may not be able to unite the party, Plasencia responded, "The communist is Trump."

[Bytor Peltor]

Two topless kindred spirits hopped onstage to join her. They poured milk on themselves and preened around the podium for just a few moments

 

Honest Question

What’s the life expectancy of a seventy-eight-year-old man who’s had a myocardial infarction at that age?

Sen. Bernie Sanders Won’t Release Anymore Health Records

......will one of Bernie’s opponents work this in tonight’s debate?

[Severian]

Originally Posted by tw2113

I'm forever wondering how it's possible that these prices are/were reached in the first place and if they were actually closer to legit costs and not inflated so much, how the current setup could actually be effective.


I won't deny I could be quite naive on the topic overall though.

Went to the ER with kidney stones in the fall.
Here’s what they did:
1. Nothing because I drove myself
2. Put me in a bed
3. Gave me some drugs (morphine and the like. Extremely cheap, honestly)
4. Did a cat scan, told me I had kidney stones
5. Sent me on my way with prescriptions for drugs I had to buy.

The cost for the visit was over $5,000.
Yes, catscans are expensive, but come on now. Come the fuck on.

My corporate insurance — that I pay a couple hundred for from each paycheck — covered most of it, but I’m still on the hook for about $1,500.

Would have maybe been $100 total anywhere else, if not free.
Also, consider the cost of medicines. Prices set by manufacturers milking demand. That’s how you get $1,000 epipens.

Nothing about the system is fair or just or cheap. We’re getting buggered.
Imagine if I didn’t have that shitty insurance? Or if I was unemployed? I’d be in debt for years, most likely. For what? A morphine shot and being told I have kidney stones.

Fuck it man

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Originally Posted by Severian

Went to the ER with kidney stones in the fall.
Here’s what they did:
1. Nothing because I drove myself
2. Put me in a bed
3. Gave me some drugs (morphine and the like. Extremely cheap, honestly)
4. Did a cat scan, told me I had kidney stones
5. Sent me on my way with prescriptions for drugs I had to buy.

The cost for the visit was over $5,000.
Yes, catscans are expensive, but come on now. Come the fuck on.

My corporate insurance — that I pay a couple hundred for from each paycheck — covered most of it, but I’m still on the hook for about $1,500.

Would have maybe been $100 total anywhere else, if not free.
Also, consider the cost of medicines. Prices set by manufacturers milking demand. That’s how you get $1,000 epipens.

Nothing about the system is fair or just or cheap. We’re getting buggered.
Imagine if I didn’t have that shitty insurance? Or if I was unemployed? I’d be in debt for years, most likely. For what? A morphine shot and being told I have kidney stones.

Fuck it man

damn, that is fucked up.

having said that, not that it is a solution to the ongoing health crisis or anything, but i'll put it out there as a public service: going to urgent care instead of the ER is a lot cheaper when you're not in mortal danger.

if you can drive yourself, it's daytime, you're not bleeding to death or unable to breathe or slurring your words or anything, urgent care is designed to look at you quickly and dispense your morphine or whatever.

the ER really is designed and priced for life-saving procedures, and so it will charge you accordingly. like a $75 aspirin or something. you or the taxpayer or whoever is paying, will pay more for it.

but see, going back to the health crisis now... in a country like france you might get a doctor to actually come to your house and check you out and say, "eh! les pierres du rein" or something (lol), and maybe navigate you through a less cost-intensive option, like sending you to a lab for imaging instead of an ER or maybe they carry a portable something, i don't know.

we don't get home visits in america, which is fucked up. my insurance offers free video visits, which is kinda like a nurse's hotline, but frankly they haven't been very helpful when i've used them.

anyway, a big part of our health cost crisis is we overuse emergency rooms and specialists because we lack proper primary care. why do we lack proper primary care? because we have to pay for it out of pocket or some other such shit, there are long waits, etc.

the system we have can be used for cheaper, but the problem is that it puts the burden on the patient to be proactive, more knowledgeable than the hospital clerks, and sometimes not just proactive but downright rebellious.

i had a doctor's visit for a sports injury not long ago and they wanted to send me to the pricey xrays for something that i knew didn't need xrays, and i said fuck no, if i need xrays i'm going to a lab.

the doctor ended up doing a manual examination and told me i was fine, i saved probably $400 on copays towards the unnecessary procedures (the dr's visit was just $50 copay). but i practically had to fucking growl at the nurse (i'm good at growling though, lol) to avoid this shit.

someone with less knowledge or a different temperament would have been fleeced on the spot.

i also usually spend a lot of time on the phone with the insurance, not fighting charges, but trying to PREVENT them. how much does this cost, where is it cheaper, what is my deductible and copay, do i need a preauthorization, etc etc. i rarely get a straight answer, and it takes a good measure of maintenance which is not tenable for many.

SO yeah we need massive health care reform one way or another. too many providers, too many different charges, too many different prices, too many unknowns and surprise bills, long waits to see a primary care provider, crazy emergency rooms, it's quite a shitshow.

anyway, in the meantime, identify your nearest URGENT CARE provider so it's in your radar. might save you a bundle.

[ilduclo]

add in

lack of dental care exacerbates other serious medical issues
costs for low income workers from Wallmart, etc. health care passed along to taxpayers

[Bytor Peltor]

If President Trump Is The Emergency DEMS Say He Is, Why Is The Democratic Party......?

[ilduclo]

Europeans Appear Unimpressed With Our Beautiful American Health Care Choices

https://www.wonkette.com/europeans-a...h-care-choices

"My sister had an epilepsy crisis while on a school trip in the middle of the French mountains. They sent an helicopter to get her to the nearest hospital. My parents had to pay a whooping €3 or something which was the cost of the parking while they waited to pick her up. The helicopter ride and hospital treatment were free."

Do you know how much an air ambulance costs here? A median of $39,000! Although it can go up to six figures.

[tw2113]

Should I remind that none of this is legit free, it's just massive collective pre-paid via taxes?


Something I'll also remind I'd prefer paying for than international interventions and attacks. Fuck our foreign policies.

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Sanders surges into national lead in new Post-ABC poll

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), on the strength of his performances in Iowa and New Hampshire, has surged nationally and now holds a sizable lead over all of his rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Former vice president Joe Biden, who led Sanders in a Post-ABC national poll in January, has seen a sharp drop in his support after finishing fourth in the Iowa caucuses and fifth in the New Hampshire primary. Biden is now in a battle for second place with former New York mayor Mike Bloomberg and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.).

Former South Bend, Ind., mayor Pete Buttigieg, who won the state-delegate-count battle in the Iowa caucuses and came a close second to Sanders in New Hampshire, is in single digits nationally, roughly even with Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), whose surprise third-place finish in New Hampshire further scrambled the Democratic contest.

 

ETA:
please note now the progressive vote (bernie + warren) adds up to 48%
the moderate vote (biden+bloomberg+pete+amy) totals 45%

that’s the real flip right there—not biden drowning.

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bernie-bloomberg ticket would be hilarious. not likely but just conceptually. who knows?

bernie-warren more likely

bloomberg-klobuchar 2nd place?

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im excited to see a debate that includes bloomberg.

not because i’m a fan (i’m not) but because i hope the mold of the former boring debates is finally broken and we see some flash.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

damn, that is fucked up.

having said that, not that it is a solution to the ongoing health crisis or anything, but i'll put it out there as a public service: going to urgent care instead of the ER is a lot cheaper when you're not in mortal danger.

if you can drive yourself, it's daytime, you're not bleeding to death or unable to breathe or slurring your words or anything, urgent care is designed to look at you quickly and dispense your morphine or whatever.

the ER really is designed and priced for life-saving procedures, and so it will charge you accordingly. like a $75 aspirin or something. you or the taxpayer or whoever is paying, will pay more for it.

but see, going back to the health crisis now... in a country like france you might get a doctor to actually come to your house and check you out and say, "eh! les pierres du rein" or something (lol), and maybe navigate you through a less cost-intensive option, like sending you to a lab for imaging instead of an ER or maybe they carry a portable something, i don't know.

we don't get home visits in america, which is fucked up. my insurance offers free video visits, which is kinda like a nurse's hotline, but frankly they haven't been very helpful when i've used them.

anyway, a big part of our health cost crisis is we overuse emergency rooms and specialists because we lack proper primary care. why do we lack proper primary care? because we have to pay for it out of pocket or some other such shit, there are long waits, etc.

the system we have can be used for cheaper, but the problem is that it puts the burden on the patient to be proactive, more knowledgeable than the hospital clerks, and sometimes not just proactive but downright rebellious.

i had a doctor's visit for a sports injury not long ago and they wanted to send me to the pricey xrays for something that i knew didn't need xrays, and i said fuck no, if i need xrays i'm going to a lab.

the doctor ended up doing a manual examination and told me i was fine, i saved probably $400 on copays towards the unnecessary procedures (the dr's visit was just $50 copay). but i practically had to fucking growl at the nurse (i'm good at growling though, lol) to avoid this shit.

someone with less knowledge or a different temperament would have been fleeced on the spot.

i also usually spend a lot of time on the phone with the insurance, not fighting charges, but trying to PREVENT them. how much does this cost, where is it cheaper, what is my deductible and copay, do i need a preauthorization, etc etc. i rarely get a straight answer, and it takes a good measure of maintenance which is not tenable for many.

SO yeah we need massive health care reform one way or another. too many providers, too many different charges, too many different prices, too many unknowns and surprise bills, long waits to see a primary care provider, crazy emergency rooms, it's quite a shitshow.

anyway, in the meantime, identify your nearest URGENT CARE provider so it's in your radar. might save you a bundle.

Didn’t read the whole thing (at work on a late night) but just gonna interject:
I wasn’t sure I wasn’t in mortal danger.
When is say “I drove myself” I mean I got there without an ambulance. Someone else drove me. It was night time, and I’d never had kidney stones before. I had no idea what was happening and felt like part of me was going to explode. So that’s why the ER.

But yeah, probably urgent care from now on.