[porkmarras]

Originally Posted by Everyneurotic

asian dub foundation are a bunch of racist idiots.

the guitar was not invented by colonialists, but if they wanted to justify their use of synths and shit, that's a very retarded way to do so. and if they were so bothered by the "white oppressors of this earth", why didn't they move to india or wherever the fuck their ancestors were from and started an indie label there and stopped talking in english? to me, it sounds hypocrite.

To me this is not really saying much at all

[Everyneurotic]

ok, i'll explain it a little clearer for you.

if asian dub or anybody else knew anything, they'd know that the guitar was not invented by british or french imperialists (the prime conquerors in asia), and that their prejudice to the use of it is based upon some stereotype, the stereotype that only white people play guitars.

further more, the statement comes from a band formed by people who are immigrants or children of immigrants, they are asian immigrants in the uk who complain about "white opressors" when they could just embrace their inherited culture and move back to the place they or their forefathers were originally from and that way, stop being in the dominance of the white people. but instead, they stay in the uk and bitch about it.

they stereotype the people who use guitars as white opressors, and to me, that sounds very racist.

[PAULYBEE2656]

is there now form to this thread? cuz yknow, dont wanna interrupt the "flow". "flow" being wgatever you decipher it as!

[porkmarras]

This is kinda missing the point and taking it quite a bit out of context but i'll get back to you and Toilet Bowels when i get more time to do so

[alyasa]

I'm non-white, living deep in the heart of Asia... No matter how 'enlightened' Asian society has become or will become; there is always a stigma associated with anything 'Western'; whether stereotypical; such as guitars; or something essentially deeper; such as western english literature... The east and west shall never meet thing is very much alive here in Asia. It's a either you're with us or you're against us mentality here; and with rising wealth and greater exposure to global cultures; there's a mad scramble; a certain paranoia to clutch to 'traditional' Asian values; at all costs, even at the risk of censorship or ostracization. Asians are very proud, anyone watched Lost? that Korean dude? Went around beating everyone up? Asian people are really like that; I can tell you with all certainty... So anytime any cultural invasion; especially the white people with their guitars; come up; people around here get very edgy and hostile... And Asians can be very mercenary, so they might welcome these gwailos with their guitars and pop music, just to get their dollar, but secretly spit on everything they stand for... So yeah, racism works both ways... And not all supremacists speak with a Southern American accent...

[Glice]

Everyneurotic: Are you basing this on actually reading about ADF and knowing their music, or are you talking on the basis of some mis-quotes on this thread?

I don't think they're racists. I think they are one of the more intelligent bands out there (again, not that their music does a great deal for me). I think they have a lot to say about 'post-colonial Britain', insofar as they aren't terribly interested in the guitar side of things (which, as has been said, is not necessarily a 'white' thing) but they are interested in the cross-pollination of musical styles which you wouldn't be able to get anywhere other than Britain. A group of disenfranchised Asian kids is pretty much the same as an American hardcore band (just usually more attractive); I don't really see anything terribly racist in a band that throws in Indian classical, Dancehall, British Bhangra, British Drum n' bass, odds and sods of heavy metal into their songs. Again, I don't like it, but it is a very 'multi-cultural' British (that's BRITISH, not Indian or anything else) thing to do.

What few interviews I've read with ADF they are pretty much constantly speaking up for the opressed everywhere - not just against white opressors, oppresors period. It's a subtle difference.

[porkmarras]

Well said Glice.Sorry guys i'd love to join in but i'm trying to do 3 things at the same time

[Everyneurotic]

Originally Posted by Glice

Everyneurotic: Are you basing this on actually reading about ADF and knowing their music, or are you talking on the basis of some mis-quotes on this thread?

I don't think they're racists. I think they are one of the more intelligent bands out there (again, not that their music does a great deal for me). I think they have a lot to say about 'post-colonial Britain', insofar as they aren't terribly interested in the guitar side of things (which, as has been said, is not necessarily a 'white' thing) but they are interested in the cross-pollination of musical styles which you wouldn't be able to get anywhere other than Britain. A group of disenfranchised Asian kids is pretty much the same as an American hardcore band (just usually more attractive); I don't really see anything terribly racist in a band that throws in Indian classical, Dancehall, British Bhangra, British Drum n' bass, odds and sods of heavy metal into their songs. Again, I don't like it, but it is a very 'multi-cultural' British (that's BRITISH, not Indian or anything else) thing to do.

What few interviews I've read with ADF they are pretty much constantly speaking up for the opressed everywhere - not just against white opressors, oppresors period. It's a subtle difference.

i was making my statement from the misquote used here, i should have started my post with "if that what asian dub really said...", but i went on with what was stated.

yes, i know asian dub's music, i thought it was odd that a band that crosspoints so many styles would say something like this.

alyasa posted exactly what i was trying to say.

[Glice]

Word. Well, I'm glad, I can never be bothered with arguing with people for more than one post.

Group hug anyone?

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[porkmarras]

Originally Posted by jon boy

in other 'things you shouldnt do infront of a child' related news, i hate it when parents smoke infront of their kids, especially young ones they are pushing around in a buggy dropping ash all over the poor sods head and clothes.

I totally agree with that.And what about parents feeding their children junk food at a tender age?Disgusting!

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by porkmarras

I totally agree with that.And what about parents feeding their children junk food at a tender age?Disgusting!

totally, i can't stand it when poor people have children either.

[porkmarras]

I feel really sorry for the poor kid below:

 

[eatmychild]

When people think of guitars as being stereotypically white, are they just ignoring Jimi? He's kind of important in guitar history.

[atari 2600]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

who can love the stooges & ignore the doors??

but i tell you this:
no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.
-texas radio & the big beat

You were trying to express something similar to that to me last night in the thread about the great big ball o' yarn in the sky haha

besides the whole Dionysian connection, there's the Danny Sugarman involvement with both bands (the Stooges & The Doors are the two bands I mean for those of you with poor reading comprehension).

people who like the bullshit alternative music of today & rag on some of the greatest bands ever have got some sort of brain damage. yes, i realize that youth are deliberately rebellious to the point of being irrationally confrontational, but shit, there's simply no comparison between the quality of the music. these people aren't in it for music; they care much more about image than music.

some of the picks aren't too bad, but overall, i found this page to be nauseating; this fuck ranks The Doors as the worst band of all-time: http://www.nothing-sacred.net/articles/033/

[krastian]

Brothers & sisters of the pale forest
O Children of Night
Who among you will run w/ the hunt?
Now Night arrives with her purple legion.
Retire now to your tents & to your dreams.
Tomorrow we enter the town of my birth.
I want to be ready.