[sculley]

I'd be interested to know which of the two guitars ends up selling more.

[ricechex]

Prob Lee's. I think it would appeal to the SY fan just a nut more; reason being the pups are more unique. The Seymour Duncan Antiquity is in Thurston's and the Fender Wide range in Lee's. So Lee's humbucker are a bit better for distortion imo, fuller and very clear.. and a warm jangle too. What partly sold me on Lee's was hearing the Thurston model could be almost too bright and shrill at times. That's only a couple people's take but that scared me off. My Lee doesn't really sound too much like anything in part..not a Fender, a Gibson et..it just sounds like a great sounding axe that can do pretty much anything.

I hope to have a pic up soon of my Lee.

[hirsute_biped]

so i was looking through the customer gallery at Warmoth custom guitars, and came across this entry:

Eric Baecht
Warmoth body, vintage 1964 Jazzmaster® style neck, Mastery Bridge, vintage pat pending tailpiece, Seymour Duncan Antiquity II pickups. Custom built for Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth.

http://www.warmoth.com/gallery/image.../greenjazz.JPG

http://www.warmoth.com/Pages/Gallery...pe=MISC_GUITAR

(for second link you have to scroll through many guitars, T's is just past hideous carved "seduction" model)

Maybe it was a trial run before the Fender-Custom shop produced ones? Not sure that makes any sense though... Eric Baecht is the Sonic Youth guitar tech, and those do look like Lee's Jasper Johns-imitating Target painted grillcloth amps in the background. Note natural headstock color, not the black (which I never liked). Probably MUCH cheaper than the fender version. not sure if that pickguard is plastic or whatever metal was used on the sig model.

Couldn't find any equivalent of the Lee sig model on this site, though I'm sure they could do it...

Warmoth is really cool, I wish I could afford to order some custom guitars from them. I'm thinking a thinline '72 tele baritone with bigsby, dark colors, maybe all black. Maybe in a few years...

[Chris Lawrence]

I think that's this one: http://www.sonicyouth.com/mustang/eq/gtr123.html

[krastian]

I've had Lee's signature Jazzmaster for 4 or 5 months now. It's fucking amazing. Great tones, loud as fuck, and a blast to play. It's easily the best guitar I have ever owned.

I could take some pics here over Christmas if anybody would like to see some closeups or whatnot.

[hirsute_biped]

build your own drifter: start from well-preserved vintage original to thrashed mutant

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Drifter-elec...ht_720w t_907

there is a bass too:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-SG-Bass...item2c610c6ccb

cross posted b/w "SY on ebay" & "T&L signaute guitar" threads

[hirsute_biped]

Originally Posted by hirsute_biped

build your own drifter: start from well-preserved vintage original to thrashed mutant

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Drifter-elec...ht_720w t_907


there is a bass too:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-SG-Bass...item2c610c6ccb

cross posted b/w "SY on ebay" & "T&L signaute guitar" threads

This one has white binding and headstock engraving not seen on the SY drifter. Hard to tell from the photos but this one might have a slightly carved top, SY drifter looks like it was flat top.

[Lee is Free]

Can I chime in here for a minute? I don't begrudge anybody their opinion but some of this discussion is so off base (yes, suchfriendsaredangerous, I'm looking yr way, for one...) that I just have to respond. It s correct, when we were coming up we would never have spent $£€ on gtrs like these-- we were only gonna beat em up, why buy new ones when there were so many used ones out there at good prices? We never spent more than a few hundred dollars on instruments, becuz we couldn't afford it but even later when we could, it seemed crazy t pay the kind of prices new gtrs sold for, even then. But back then you could get the real REAL vintage Jazzmstrs (like late 50s/early 60s--no shit) for a few hundred bux. Before the market for "vintage gtrs" became insane (which is why I still don't own a nice 50s-60s oD-18 or D-28...grrr). And I will agree that many of the sig gtrs out there are just glory-branding for the companies, made in Japan or whatev, and not always very good. BUT I have t say that the Lee'n'T models were built to our (and our tech guys) exacting specs, and w Fenders full cooperation to build a pair of gtrs that were as close as possible to what we play onstage. Which is why I play mine at every SY gig, in the mix w all my other 'blasters, both vintage and recent (in fact I have quite a few recent, Made is USA ones, like my coral and green ones, that are, to me, as good as the old ones...), and it certainly holds its own against any of them. That, and the fact that gtrs go for crazy money today, accounts for why ours are not cheap---all made-in-usa and quality parts to our specs... Just sayin, folks...

--Lee

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Lee is Free

Can I chime in here for a minute? I don't begrudge anybody their opinion but some of this discussion is so off base (yes, suchfriendsaredangerous, I'm looking yr way, for one...) that I just have to respond. It s correct, when we were coming up we would never have spent $£€ on gtrs like these-- we were only gonna beat em up, why buy new ones when there were so many used ones out there at good prices? We never spent more than a few hundred dollars on instruments, becuz we couldn't afford it but even later when we could, it seemed crazy t pay the kind of prices new gtrs sold for, even then. But back then you could get the real REAL vintage Jazzmstrs (like late 50s/early 60s--no shit) for a few hundred bux. Before the market for "vintage gtrs" became insane (which is why I still don't own a nice 50s-60s oD-18 or D-28...grrr). And I will agree that many of the sig gtrs out there are just glory-branding for the companies, made in Japan or whatev, and not always very good. BUT I have t say that the Lee'n'T models were built to our (and our tech guys) exacting specs, and w Fenders full cooperation to build a pair of gtrs that were as close as possible to what we play onstage. Which is why I play mine at every SY gig, in the mix w all my other 'blasters, both vintage and recent (in fact I have quite a few recent, Made is USA ones, like my coral and green ones, that are, to me, as good as the old ones...), and it certainly holds its own against any of them. That, and the fact that gtrs go for crazy money today, accounts for why ours are not cheap---all made-in-usa and quality parts to our specs... Just sayin, folks...

--Lee

So now I have been called out by both Jim and Lee directly and personally on SYG, my relationship with SY is completed and my legacy secured

[hipster_bebop_junkie]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

So now I have been called out by both Jim and Lee directly and personally on SYG, my relationship with SY is completed and my legacy secured

Shame that all your merits for that have consisted of the act of trolling, though.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by hipster_bebop_junkie

Shame that all your merits for that have consisted of the act of trolling, though.

that wasn't trolling, my criticisms of the sig guitars were serious though speculative, and I'M the one who actually posted the specs, and then agreed that my criticisms were a bit exaggerated in that these guitars weren't so bad, though I still think signature guitars in general are in poor taste.

to Lee.. maximum RASpect

[the ikara cult]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

that wasn't trolling, my criticisms of the sig guitars were serious though speculative, and I'M the one who actually posted the specs, and then agreed that my criticisms were a bit exaggerated in that these guitars weren't so bad, though I still think signature guitars in general are in poor taste.

to Lee.. maximum RASpect

I dont know anything about guitars, its not the kind of thing that interests me, but if its a debate about guitars between lee ranaldo and you... you can understand whose side im going to take more seriously, i hope

[Lee is Free]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

to Lee.. maximum RASpect

Back atcha dude---
L

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Lee is Free

Back atcha dude---
L

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Lee is Free again.

[Lazewski]

I use to really be interested in Cobain's JagStank guitar. Then I realized T & L had their own signatures. Must have.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Lazewski

I use to really be interested in Cobain's JagStank guitar. Then I realized T & L had their own signatures. Must have.

The jagstang was a good idea that never really materialized quite the way it was initially intended. It was supposed to be the best of both those guitars, and in some respects it has turned out to be the worst. Of course, it is a gorgeous guitar, and not entirely bad, plus I understand lefties like it

[hirsute_biped]

indeed, maximum respect to Lee, ringing from all corners

[Ghostchase]

Originally Posted by Chris Lawrence

I think that's this one: http://www.sonicyouth.com/mustang/eq/gtr123.html

I like! The green fits Daydream perfectly.

And hey Lee, thanx for yr post and giving these gtrs yr stamp of approval!

[Bakesalee]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

The jagstang was a good idea that never really materialized quite the way it was initially intended. It was supposed to be the best of both those guitars, and in some respects it has turned out to be the worst. Of course, it is a gorgeous guitar, and not entirely bad, plus I understand lefties like it

It's not the worst of anything. I have one, it's just a Mustang with a weird body. The neck is a mustang neck. The bridge, tailpiece, vibrato system, control plate, switches, dials - everything - it's literally made with Fender Japan Mustang parts. The wiring is just like that of a Mustang (on/off/phase). Sounds like a Mustang, feels like a Mustang, it's a Mustang with a big butt. Bought it brand new in 1996 for $315. Value and a half.

http://www.offsetguitars.com/forums/...hp?f=6&t=42633

[hirsute_biped]

does anyone want to take responsibility for this?:

http://www.offsetguitars.com/forums/...hp?f=9&t=29513

pretty rad

 

looks like the bridge was moved to be in a longer scale (bass proportions?), don't think the SY drifter(s) did that.