but is it really art? i mean, come on... - Page 8

Skuj · 01.05.2010, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone

Elitism is not bad, especially in the modern sense of setting yourself outside of the mass/homogenized experience.
"My kid could do that" is to art what "it's just a bunch of noise" is to "out" music. The rubes can have their experience, and they can look at me with the same disdain I have for them.
Being secure in your tastes and being careful who your friends are is not bad. Dumbing down your life in an effort to be part of an increasingly idiotic and anti-intellectual culture is far worse than behaving in a way that some slack-jawed moron would call "elitist."

But why the FUCK must I be deemed elitist by the masses just because I love Merzbow, Godard and Dada?

As I said, in this age of mass marketting, Art is more important than ever.

Skuj · 01.05.2010, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

beauty comes from effort.

Again I ask, is Night And Fog beautiful? Was a lot of effort put into it?

Is it Art?

Skuj · 01.05.2010, 01:33 AM

I'll stfu now.

pbradley · 01.05.2010, 01:40 AM

phoenix · 01.05.2010, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Skuj

Some Art can/must! be abhorrent and sickening.

Absolutely. Well, "can".

Artwork does not need to be beautiful, in order to be skillful, concise, intricate, intense, or moving... or, art. What a crock.

But I've no real interest in discussing art vs not. It is a non argument.

phoenix · 01.05.2010, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Skuj

But why the FUCK must I be deemed elitist by the masses just because I love Merzbow, Godard and Dada?

Who deemed you elitist? Why do you see elitism as a negative concept? Why do you care what they think?

static-harmony · 01.05.2010, 03:04 AM

Elitism is not really a bad thing like Savage said.

akprodr · 01.05.2010, 08:35 AM

Do you think we've hit a nerve with Skuj?

What at least some of you are saying, certainly not an uncommon thought, is that a certain artist, with at least tangential connections to da Yute, known for creating exact replicas of soup cans and brillo boxes, is not really an artist.

Conceptually, just having the work described to you, Warhol, Pollock or even Van Gogh, might sound like child's work. But seeing the work in person has an entirely different effect (at least on me).

I insist that the intent is the important part of an artistic experience.

akprodr · 01.05.2010, 08:45 AM

Beauty is in the eye of the apiarist

Rob Instigator · 01.05.2010, 09:01 AM

"beauty" is a self-determined factor.
whitehouse can be beautiful to someone.
the last 5 minutes of MOTE are some of the most beautiful sounds I have ever heard ywt they are abhorrently ugly to many people I have played those sounds for.

if a man finds beauty in contemplating the hose then that is meaningful, but it does not necesarily make the hose art. a murderer finds his mutilations of people beautiful, and would likely define them as his/her "Art" but does that one person;s definiton make it so?

should art be something the collective decides?
so many questions!

Rob Instigator · 01.05.2010, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Skuj

Oh Man......

I buy used Art books and cut Pollock out to frame. (He'd probably kill me for that.)

UNCLEAN!!! UNCLEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

evollove · 01.05.2010, 09:04 AM

More than once I've been in a museum and saw a chair or couch or an air vent grill or even a door and thought to myself, "I wonder who's piece this is."

Rob Instigator · 01.05.2010, 09:29 AM

me too

Glice · 01.05.2010, 09:32 AM

I've seen whole exhibitions where the drains were the best thing about it. Not quite the same thing, but definitely true.

Skuj · 01.05.2010, 10:59 AM

LOL, sorry about last night. I got a bit excited. I'm not really angry.

Anyway, here's a Bateman.

ilduclo · 01.05.2010, 11:11 AM

Ad Reinhardt put it best, I think

"Art is art, everything else is everything else."

akprodr · 01.05.2010, 12:08 PM

Funny story:

By pure coincidence, the Guggenheim was showing Richard Prince when I went there. Seeing the nurse series was quite enjoyable. But he also has a series of car hoods--particularly GTOs I think. In my neighborhood, I frequently walked past one of these hoods--spiffily done up in grey primer. I always wondered if there was some connection...

akprodr · 01.05.2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Skuj

LOL, sorry about last night. I got a bit excited. I'm not really angry.

I didn't think you were. I think its great that somebody has such an interest.

Rob Instigator · 01.05.2010, 12:18 PM

don't worry 'bout it dawg

Rob Instigator · 01.05.2010, 12:31 PM

Is plastic surgery ART?

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01.05.2010, 08:35 AM	#148
akprodr the end of the ugly Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mt Clair Posts: 1,129	Do you think we've hit a nerve with Skuj? What at least some of you are saying, certainly not an uncommon thought, is that a certain artist, with at least tangential connections to da Yute, known for creating exact replicas of soup cans and brillo boxes, is not really an artist. Conceptually, just having the work described to you, Warhol, Pollock or even Van Gogh, might sound like child's work. But seeing the work in person has an entirely different effect (at least on me). I insist that the intent is the important part of an artistic experience. __________________ Odi profanum vulgus et arceo
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Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,991	"beauty" is a self-determined factor. whitehouse can be beautiful to someone. the last 5 minutes of MOTE are some of the most beautiful sounds I have ever heard ywt they are abhorrently ugly to many people I have played those sounds for. if a man finds beauty in contemplating the hose then that is meaningful, but it does not necesarily make the hose art. a murderer finds his mutilations of people beautiful, and would likely define them as his/her "Art" but does that one person;s definiton make it so? should art be something the collective decides? so many questions! __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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evollove invito al cielo Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,879	More than once I've been in a museum and saw a chair or couch or an air vent grill or even a door and thought to myself, "I wonder who's piece this is."
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01.05.2010, 09:29 AM	#153
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01.05.2010, 10:59 AM	#155
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01.05.2010, 11:11 AM	#156
ilduclo invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,305	Ad Reinhardt put it best, I think "Art is art, everything else is everything else."
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01.05.2010, 12:08 PM	#157
akprodr the end of the ugly Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mt Clair Posts: 1,129	Funny story: By pure coincidence, the Guggenheim was showing Richard Prince when I went there. Seeing the nurse series was quite enjoyable. But he also has a series of car hoods--particularly GTOs I think. In my neighborhood, I frequently walked past one of these hoods--spiffily done up in grey primer. I always wondered if there was some connection... __________________ Odi profanum vulgus et arceo
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01.05.2010, 12:18 PM	#159
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