[GeneticKiss]

I was talking to some other people the day about HBO's new series Boardwalk Empire, which is about the Prohibition era. People wanted alcohol and as always, organized criminals provided it for them. Along with it came violence and corruption. The mobs lost signifcant profit, influence, and all but went out of business for while after Prohibition was repealed.

It will be the same way with pot. No, drug cartels won't be ENTIRELY put out of business by legalization, but they'll take pretty big hits (not in that way). Unfortunately, most legislators don't get that and prefer the backward, draconian "One Nation under GOD" way of doing things, but like a certain line in a once decent space opera series said, "The more you tighten your grip, the more [we'll] slip through your fingers".

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by tesla69

the government's joint efforts

i hope that means the government is trying to grow some really good weed

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

 

if anything, the Prop 215 leniency which has created a market of licensed, registers yet technically law-breaking "medicinal" users who are in fact just herb smokers is a sham, its the nazis smoking us out into the open, then BAM right for the kill shot. They want all the growers with their pants down... thats what they did in colombia with this Plan Colombia nonsense, essentially the same tactics of the Opium Wars so the CIA/govt backed cartels can keep sending the profits back the the nameless, faceless vampires who run the game (and the world for that matter)

I say fuck em!

 

stay underground, stay out of order.

[jon boy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY6TI...ayer_embedded#!

[evollove]

Proposition 19 - California will make recreational pot use legal November 2nd

Or not

[hevusa]

what a crap election. It just shows how retarded Americans really are.

[floatingslowly]

shocking!!

el oh elle!

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by hevusa

what a crap election. It just shows how retarded Americans really are.

yes.

[Inhuman]

Wow...really? I'm surprised so many people still think that way. Well, at least I live in Canada where weed is pretty much acceptable anywhere, but would have been a big step to decriminalization across north america if this went through.

Oh, and hey Prop 19 supporters, guess what? The McRib is back!

[Kallisti23chaos]

It isn't about the Majority Vote. It is WHO COUNTS the Vote.

[Kallisti23chaos]

In Hinduism, sadhu, or shadhu is a common term for a mystic, an ascetic, practitioner of yoga (yogi) and/or wandering monks. The sadhu is solely dedicated to achieving the fourth and final Hindu goal of life, moksha (liberation), through meditation and contemplation of Brahman. Sadhus often wear ochre-colored clothing, symbolizing renunciation.Sadhus are not unified in their practices. Some live in the mountains alone for years at a time, eating only a few bananas. Others walk around with one hand in the air for decades. Still others partake in the religious consumption of charas (hand-made cannabis hashish) and contemplate the cosmic nature and presence of God. As i . Keep puffin. It Will Come Together.

[floatingslowly]

^^^ exactly why this [idiotic] bill didn't pass.

stoners spent the day eating bananas, walking around with one hand in the air and hoping that the more they smoke, the sooner it will all get better.

I've always been pro-legalization, but I'm starting to think that stereotypical stoner disfunctionality will always trump logic in the matter.

[hevusa]

Originally Posted by floatingslowly

^^^ exactly why this [idiotic] bill didn't pass.

stoners spent the day eating bananas, walking around with one hand in the air and hoping that the more they smoke, the sooner it will all get better.

I've always been pro-legalization, but I'm starting to think that stereotypical stoner disfunctionality will always trump logic in the matter.

all the stoners I know voted.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by hevusa

what a crap election. It just shows how retarded Americans really are.

why elections are indeed a facade and political theatre at best, if the numbers reflect anything accurately (which appears so if you have been paying attention to this debate over the past 6 months) 3.4 MILLION californians essentially declared openly that they are completely cool with cannabis use, possession and production. And further, amongst the 3.9 million people who voted against it, (a deficit of only a few hundred thousand people btw) it does not automatically equate that they are adamantly against cannabis, just that they were against this particular legislation.

So that being said, this was in fact a positive result. Nearly have the "voters" agreed, and many more may have been sympathetic even in voting against the law. The social climate is changing radically in the favor of realism and common sense. People in California are often more accepting of cannabis then say alcohol and especially tobacco (which the taboo against is in vogue right now)..

Most of the newspapers, analysts, a lot of politicians, education communities, even law enforcement have expressed positive or neutral sentiments regarding cannabis. I love this, that the debate could even be so open, so public, and that people can feel confident to express their honest opinions without being ostracized or antagonized. While Sheriff Lee Baca of LA was an open and vocal critic, LAPD Chief Charlie Beck absolutely refused to issue and official opinion (suggesting sympathy, though I am very very upset with the way in which Beck has handled the recent assassination by the LAPD in Westlake )

The BEST and most reasonable approach, and one which is very viable considering the social climate is shifting in the positive direction, is for whats called deprioritization which is what West Hollywood municipal DAs have pursued and which Vancouver in Canada has had for two decades now. The law is left exactly as it is, but the DA and the courts refuse to prosecute a SINGLE possession case, and throw them all out of court for $30 court costs.. In the long run the cops stop writing the citations and making the busts because the courts are so lenient, and what happens is for all intents and purposes, cannabis is legal. This is California's experience as of the past decade. Ten years ago Prop 215 was still getting a lot of slack and only a few places in cali recognized it. While today only 10 counties and 18 large municipalities recognize Prop 215, they remain the largest by numbers. The same is happening with deprioritization in general, several cities have done this and LA county is well on its way.. Even five years ago I got hastled all the time for very small amounts of cannabis and have been arrested several times, prosecuted four, but not ONCE in the past 5 years! While I get stopped and ran for warrants at least weekly (which involves being searched, handcuffed and thrown in the cage of the car for 15 minutes but its an inconvenience and humiliation which I have grown quite accustomed to so fuck it) they don't even acknowledge the herb that is consistently in my pocket, and they generally leave it in my pocket, or if they do take it out, they give back, EVERY TIME, even the time they put a gun to my head!

This is your best bet, count your victories and learn from your losses, but don't let silly or naive things dissuade you..

[floatingslowly]

what are you doing (wrong) that leads you to being arrested weekly?

and by wrong, I mean, so as to be caught.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by floatingslowly

what are you doing (wrong) that leads you to being arrested weekly?

and by wrong, I mean, so as to be caught.

literally nothing (I am dead serious) I didn't say arrested, I said, stopped, handcuffed, searched, thrown in the cage and ran for warrants (this is technically called a felony stop, which is in fact illegal in most circumstances). This is the process of being detained, or as the police tend to call it "saying hello"

last week I got stopped, searched, and nearly cuffed and thrown in the cage if it weren't for the intercession of the Virgin, all for walking down the street to get a newspaper at 7am!

I didn't look shady, I didn't look suspicious, I didn't do a single thing wrong, and in all honesty and seriousness, they just harrassed me, but I am well used to it by now.

my friend, if I was doing things wrong all the time, don't you think I would not be let go so often? Right now, I'm batting a thousand on getting let go, but only .250 in actually not getting stopped in the first place ;(

[Satan]

i'm not even to go into why pot shouldn't be legal. it should be decriminalized, not full out legal. i'm not saying any more than that because i'll be ranting for 3 days.

[floatingslowly]

legalize suchfriendsaredangerous!

[GeneticKiss]

I don't smoke pot, but the bass player and drummer in my band do (and I try to get contact highs when hanging around them, even though the scent of weed is nasueating at times). I want it to be legal so I don't get busted in case some overly sensitive neighbor moves in next door and calls the cops on us for being too loud.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by hevusa

what a crap election..

But Prop 19 discussion aside, you are 100% correct. This is why I am a monarchist, honestly!

Elections are one of the highest forms of political theater. They are not real, they are entirely scripted, contrived and deceptive forms of expression, communication and entertainment. They do not necessarily determine political outcomes, rather they serve as opportunities for socio-political manipulation through such psychological tools such as group think, peer pressure, mass hysteria, inherent tendencies towards the syntonic, and the general yielding to authority which most people do, even if it simply misperceived..

For example here in california, Jerry Brown and the DEM nazis won over Meg Whitman and the GOP fascists right? Wrong.

We have all been manipulated through media, through group think, through phone banks and cadreism where we believe the misinformation.

Folks believe the Democrats will save them, so they go with them, but in reality the California DEMS are in the pocket of the prisons, the cops and the unions, and not necessarily any of the interests of the people. Essentially, California has the philosophy of "lock em all up and let God sort em out" and quite a sizable percentage jobs and investment are in relation to law enforcement and incarceration. This is why they love the Drug War, they get a lot of bullshit funding and authority and ability to incarcerate people and literally make money off the head count, and in the process justify their own existence which in fact is quite redundant to say the least.

Did the Republicans really lose? No, they still got a lot of seats in the state and local level, they still have a powerful lobby for greedy, cut-throat businessmen.. Meg Whitman and the GOP made an investment in clout, and they got it! Whitman and Carly were just a rally, to get the pro-business interests mobilized, and over-all in the national election over $4 BILLION was spent, about 50-50 on each side. I'd say the GOP rabble-rousers were just instigating the Dems to equally over spend and saturate the country with all this brainwashing.. Look at Prop 24 passing, now businesses still get their ridiculous tax breaks here, and while prop 23 was shot down, the oil industry still pays the lowest taxes in california than out of any other 49 states in US! The rich will keep on getting richer..

Elections are a theater designed to get us all in pseudo-involvement and to continue to believe in the hype, the myth, and to let them continue to control us and exploit us and put us in prison.. fuck that!

Now Californians naively believe that at least they tried, and at least some of their voice was heard, but in reality the election does not determine the outcome, it is only a kind of litmus test for the government to see the social climate and how far they can push us, and also for the government to continue to manipulate us into the systematized deception that we have some, any, kind of democracy..

the election was indeed a bunch of crap, but they all are..