[demonrail666]

Yeah. I won't pretend I wasn't hoping they'd win the penalties but it was embarrassingly one sided during the actual match. I just hope people don't start questioning Hodgson now. But as Ikara Cult says, there does have to be a real debate about what we do with Rooney.

Anyway, predictions for the Semis?

Spain v Portugal - I'm betting that Spain will defend too well to give Ronaldo or Nani any joy. 1-0 to Spain for me.
Germany v Italy - I can only see one winner there. 3-1 to Germany

[Bertrand]

Germany v exhausted Italy - Germany wins, and it'd be highly cool to see an Italian goal

Spain v Portugal...
I wish Portugal wins; I'm pretty sure Spain will stop their sleepwalking for that game, but I think there's room for a Portuguese win; as Helder Postiga is out, the team will look different, probably shaky when they start... I hope they do not collapse... they have it within their hearts... they can do it...
That'd be so good...

Group B and group C: everybody's survived!

[sy2004]

England managed to stay longer in the tournament than expected but Italy was way better overall. Should have been in the pocket after 90 minutes. I never liked Italy as a team but they are playing very unitalian lately and nice to watch. I think they can even beat the Germans. Spain vs Ronaldo? Spain will raise their level and send Christiano home.

The only very unusual thing in this EC is the fact that Germany and Portugal had 2 more days of rest, unbelievable.

[demonrail666]

As much as I'm not particularly enjoying watching Spain this tournament, I do hope it's a Spain Germany final, purely because I think they are the two best teams in the tournament and if either win it without facing the other it'll inevitably cast some doubt over the credibility of their victory.

[demonrail666]

An Italian newspaper's depiction of Balotelli as King Kong isn't going down too well...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/eur...r-cartoon.html

 

[EVOLghost]

^LOL!

[pokkeherrie]

I missed all the quarter-finals, except the Portugal one, so I can't comment on those.

But for tonight I'm gonna say 1-0 to Spain.
Ronaldo's been getting better as the tournament progressed, but all the Spanish defenders are used to playing against him regularly so it could be a difficult night for him. I would prefer Portugal to win though.

Originally Posted by sy2004

The only very unusual thing in this EC is the fact that Germany and Portugal had 2 more days of rest, unbelievable.

This is so strange and I've barely seen it reported/discussed anywhere. Why did they fuck up the schedule like this? It should be no more than 1 day difference like it has always been at previous tournaments.

[!@#$%!]

ooohooohooo cronaldo cursed by the gods

most satisfying moment of the game was watching him walk out all sore

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

this game was more boringly a predictable dive than most NBA games! The announcers were talking about penalty kicks before even the first half ended..

meh.

[pokkeherrie]

...and to think I really didn't have to stay home tonight to watch this snoozefest. Bah.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

this game was more boringly a predictable dive than most NBA games!

tactically, it was hugely contested until probably the 2nd half of overtime when spain finally started to slightly dominate due to portugal's fatigue. in terms of overt spectacle however it was lacking, but it wasn't predictable at all. i think portugal put on a really good show, and could have won, so i don't see this game was "predictable". even cronaldo was denied a chance to shoot a penalty!

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

The announcers were talking about penalty kicks before even the first half ended..

that's because it was very contested in the midfield, so you don't need announcers to tell you it will likely go to overtime.

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

meh.

ha ha

Originally Posted by pokkeherrie

...and to think I really didn't need to stay home tonight to watch this snoozefest. Bah.

oh, come on, portugal stood up to spain in a huge way. yes, more chess match than fireworks in the end, but stil, i thought it was interesting, the way maybe entomologists find flies fucking also interesting (ha ha). but seriously, i love the way they clamped down on spain, super-focused, and they continued going on the offense until they ran out of gas.

looking ahead to the next game i think spain has a huge problem on the attack and germany (in theory) should dethrone them. i guess del bosque hates torres to have put negredo in but nobody would throw him a ball anyway. this was sort of a barcelona-real madrid match but without messi barcelona doesn't really shine the same way and without villa nobody scores, so i'm hoping germany will take advantage of that.

[demonrail666]

The second half was awful but I thought Portugal were great in the first half while Spain seemed to take control in extra time. Ronaldo not taking a penalty was odd and I still can't believe Ramos had the kahunas to pull a Pirlo with his one. He's slowly turning into one of my favourite players. For much of the actual game though, Spain still weren't really that convincing, and even when they did start taking control, I still couldn't see where their goal was gonna come from.

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

i guess del bosque hates torres to have put negredo in

Haha. Del Bosque has a real problem there. I still don't think he knows who he wants up front. It's definitely Spain's weakness and if they do lose the final it'll surely be that that's pointed to as the reason. But I also think their passing's not as sharp as usual and there were a couple of moments in the first half when their defence was all over the place. Although a clean sheet against Portugal can't exactly be sniffed at. They managed to keep Nani almost completely out of the game.

As you say, not that spectacular but a definite treat for the armchair tactitions. I expect the guys over at that zonalmarking site were having babies.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

The second half was awful but I thought Portugal were great in the first half while Spain seemed to take control in extra time. Ronaldo not taking a penalty was odd and I still can't believe Ramos had the kahunas to pull a Pirlo with his one. He's slowly turning into one of my favourite players. For much of the actual game though, Spain still weren't really that convincing, and even when they did start taking control, I still couldn't see where their goal was gonna come from.

spain has no attackers proper. shots to the goal came from iniesta, arbeloa, xavi hernandez, etc. silva as usual sucked, negredo was not functional there but that was probably because of the way the whole team plays.

i think maybe del bosque fucked the dog taking xavi out for pedro. i'm sure he wanted to go more on the attack but he could have taken someone else out and pedro didn't really work out.

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

spain has no attackers proper. shots to the goal came from iniesta, arbeloa, xavi hernandez, etc. silva as usual sucked, negredo was not functional there but that was probably because of the way the whole team plays.

i think maybe del bosque fucked the dog taking xavi out for pedro. i'm sure he wanted to go more on the attack but he could have taken someone else out and pedro didn't really work out.

Silva's been awful in every game bar the one against Ireland and as you say, Negredo didn't work at all. I do think Xavi was a bit anonymous though (as he has been for most of the tournament) and probably justified his substitution - especially as I actually think Pedro did ok. As Bertrand mentioned in an earlier post, Spain seem to improve when they sub in some younger blood. But none of their attacking options, even (dare i say it?) Iniesta, are really doing it.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

!@#$%!

you misunderstood my casual abuse of syntax and grammar.

I didn't say the game was predictable, if anything Portugal's defense at shutting out Spain for the first time in 17 games was quite surprising. what was predictable my friend, was that Portugal took a dive ala Lebron 2010 and 2011

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

Silva's been awful in every game bar the one against Ireland and as you say, Negredo didn't work at all. I do think Xavi was a bit anonymous though (as he has been for most of the tournament) and probably justified his substitution - especially as I actually think Pedro did ok. As Bertrand mentioned in an earlier post, Spain seem to improve when they sub in some younger blood. But none of their attacking options, even (dare i say it?) Iniesta, are really doing it.

xavi wasn't his best but he's good on attack and defense and communicates well with iniesta and maybe silva could have gone instead.

pedro did nothing by the end of regulation time and only really appeared at the very end of the first overtime when he created a nice play out of the left corner but it came to nothing. then he missed a chance to score--idiotic. then he did some other stuff but he did it while everyone else around him was exhausted-- a kind of silva vs. ireland situation.

the substitute who did best in my eyes was actually navas. well, fabregas for negredo too but that was a wasted substitution.

re: their attack: i see iniesta as more of a playmaker, much like pirlo or ozil. sure all of them can score, and do, but it's more out of opportunity than from playing in a goalscoring position; and while iniesta is as versatile as it gets loves to shoot on goal he's not striker material.

the thing is, italy has balotelli and di natale and cassano (and diamanti, who can fill his shoes); germany has klose and gomez and mueller and schürrle and reus and podolski; spain has... silva? nice dribbling but totally melts down when facing the goal. negredo? couldn't do a thing. torres? in del bosque's shit list. llorente? hasn't played even once. fábregas is great but he isn't a natural forward. like you i think they will have trouble in the final. and i hope it's with germany! they have a great midfield but also they have lots of attacking options, as they showed against greece.

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

!@#$%!

you misunderstood my casual abuse of syntax and grammar.

I didn't say the game was predictable, if anything Portugal's defense at shutting out Spain for the first time in 17 games was quite surprising. what was predictable my friend, was that Portugal took a dive ala Lebron 2010 and 2011

uh? who? i'm sorry man, i don't know anything about professional basketball nor cabrón james; the only dive i saw from portugal was cronaldo's, and he got a yellow card for it, the fucking clown.

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

xavi wasn't his best but he's good on attack and defense and communicates well with iniesta and maybe silva could have gone instead.

I'm an enormous fan of Xavi and he's probably been my favourite player in the world these past few seasons, but, whether it's fatigue after a long season or simply not being in form, he's definitely not firing on all cylinders and I think that's a major reason behind the teams overall lack of bite up front. Another reason may be Del Bosque's decision to field two holding midfielders (Alonso and Busquets) instead of one, giving the midfield a far more defensive complexion than we've perhaps come to expect. In the right formation, and with both players in form, the Xavi-Iniesta partnership may be the most formidable in all of football right now but they're definitely not clicking at the moment.

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

re: their attack: i see iniesta as more of a playmaker, much like pirlo or ozil. sure all of them can score, and do, but it's more out of opportunity than from playing in a goalscoring position; and while iniesta is as versatile as it gets loves to shoot on goal he's not striker material.

I'd say Iniesta is one of the few players who can do just about anything but again, i think Spain's style is so dependent on every player clicking, and with Xavi clearly below par, I just don't think he's getting the service. Even so, I love watching him, even when his moves amount to nothing.

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

the thing is, italy has balotelli and di natale and cassano (and diamanti, who can fill his shoes); germany has klose and gomez and mueller and schürrle and reus and podolski; spain has... silva? nice dribbling but totally melts down when facing the goal. negredo? couldn't do a thing. torres? in del bosque's shit list. llorente? hasn't played even once. fábregas is great but he isn't a natural forward. like you i think they will have trouble in the final. and i hope it's with germany! they have a great midfield but also they have lots of attacking options, as they showed against greece.

I can only imagine what Llorente must've done to upset Del Bosque. Why take a striker and not use him, especially when the others available aren't exactly proving prolific? I've heard he's not 100% fit but I'd have thought he'd still be useful, if only as a sub. Saying all that, the very fact that Spain have reached the final, however unspectacularly, without a functioning striker is pretty impressive.

But more seriously, we must never forget ...

 

[!@#$%!]

haaa haaa haaa

 

i guess you're right about the xavi substitution (and paul scholes, iniesta, etc), but pedro sucked.

[pokkeherrie]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

oh, come on, portugal stood up to spain in a huge way. yes, more chess match than fireworks in the end, but stil, i thought it was interesting, the way maybe entomologists find flies fucking also interesting (ha ha). but seriously, i love the way they clamped down on spain, super-focused, and they continued going on the offense until they ran out of gas.

I found it mostly boring, especially the second half. I mainly blame Spain for that, mind, Portugal played to their capacities and even looked the better team in the first half (despite the statistics) and they could've won it even in the last minute when they broke out 4 against 2... I didn't see the Spain-France game that everyone called a borefest, so I'm taking the opportunity to bitch about them now instead. I stayed at home to watch them because it was the only game I could watch this week, but at the end I figured I should've done something else instead.

I think tonight's going to be a way more interesting game. Germany may have the better players but I think it's going to be closer than a lot of people think. I'd never rule out an Italian win, no matter how "bad" they may look... seen it happen too often.

I felt sorry for Bruno Alves who had to make the nerve-wrecking walk from the halfway line towards the penalty area twice because Nani called him back the first time... I didn't really expect him to score after that.