[Rob Instigator]

People been talkin bout Kanye's tiny pecker for years now. he gets what he can.....

[louder]

OKAY OKAY OKAY.. new Freddie Gibbs album "Shadow of a Doubt" coming out November 20th.

 

01 Rearview
02 Cocaine
03 Careless
04 Fuckin’ Up The Count
05 Extradite [ft. Black Thought]
06 McDuck [ft. Dana Williams]
07 Packages [ft. ManMan Savage]
08 Mexico [ft. Tory Lanez]
09 10 Times [ft. Gucci Mane & E-40]
10 Lately
11 Basketball Wives
12 Forever and A Day
13 Insecurities
14 Freddie Gordy
15 Cold Ass Nigga

Pinata was Gibbs' retro classic. Seems like this one will be his modern classic.

So excited. Will make sure to pre order this on vinyl like I did with Pinata.

[louder]

Originally Posted by Severian

Thanks for making a nice, classic café post louder. I was beginning to forget this thread existed.

I agree with you 100% of course. Even though Black Messiah is nowhere near my favorite album of the decade (that honor would have to go to MBDTF or possibly something I'm totally blanking on at the moment... Public Strain maybe? Reflecting the Light? The Seer? Nah... almost certainly MBDTF) it is certainly an album that only grows larger and larger in my estimation with the passage of time.

It was actually incredibly difficult for me to appropriately rate the album for the year of its release, since it dropped in 2014. My impulse was to make it too 3, and it definitely wound up in the top 10, but I had a hard time justifying placing it above albums that had had more time to prove their worth.

I don't find it a particularly epic album. I find that I'm not deeply connected to it emotionally. Instead, like a great jazz album, I find that listening to it is never a bad choice. It's soothing and it's organic and it has the fragile perfection of a soulful Beatles ballad ("Don't let me down" with Billy Preston comes to mind), or an enigmatic but well-balanced experimental pop game-changer (like perhaps Prince's Sign O The Times).

If I were to rate 2014's albums now, I'd put Black Messiah above everything except for Syro (what can I say, I've followed and adored and awaited the return of RDJ as Aphex Twin just as you have with D'angelo). More than A U R O R A or Bécs or 9 Songs or MyLittleGhost, Black Messiah imprinted on me from the very first listen. Since then my feelings for it have only grown stronger.

I'm willing to bet that it will be in my top 10 of the decade. And frankly, I believe I prefer it to Voodoo. The sound of Black Messiah is less a product of a moment in the evolution of a genre than its predecessors. Instead, it's like a crystal clear snapshot of one of the world's greatest artists at his absolute best. If any note was struck differently, it make for an entirely different experience, making BM an extremely personal, immediate and of the moment piece of work. Like a journal entry. It's imperfections, if it had any, help make it perfect.

Word.

Wish I could rep you back. Spot on with the "Don't Let Me Down" comparsion, I can definitely hear it.

[Dr. Eugene Felikson]

Give me half the cash and one cheek.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by noisereductions

New DP would be awesome

Fuck yes it would, but I have no clue how such a things would fit into the whole Shabazz Palaces scene. DP would probably sound a bit timid by comparison.

Of course, I actually prefer Digable Planets to SP's.. Blowout Comb is almost on the same level as ATCQ. Perhaps it doesn't sound as musically ambitious in 2015 as Black Up and Lese Majesty, but that's only because bands like DP were so influential that their style has been copped and recycled by so much that it now sounds familiar.

I feel like you need a certain amount of perspective to appreciate this stuff. It makes me wonder how much I am unable to comprehend about music from before my time. Even music that I love. I wonder how much I don't understand about, say, the Velvet Underground. Surely there are some incredibly important pieces of their legacy that I'll just never be able to fully understand.

Oh, well, fuck it.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by louder

Wish I could rep you back. Spot on with the "Don't Let Me Down" comparsion, I can definitely hear it.

I was just listening to it again yesterday. It really does feel like a kind of definitive statement. Humble, but uncompromising. In some ways it feels like the pinnacle of modem soul. Like, Erykah Badu had come close to this kind of brilliance before (specifically thinking of New Amerykah vol.1 here- "Soldier", "My People", "The healer") but as great as that record was it relied on electronic eccentricity and production a bit too much to really feel like a genuine soul record.

D'angelo has made an immediate classic that will either turn tides and produce followers, or separate D from the schizophrenic mainstream and send him off on his own, an outsider icon like Prince or Tom Waits. Either way, Black Messiah kinda feels like the Yeezus of soul. Yeezus didn't need to sell a million copies in its first week like Graduation, because the music demanded to be heard and digested and considered. Then it came to basically mark yet another new era for hip hop, and Black Messiah is very much the same. For better or worse, Black Messiah is going to make it a hell of a lot harder for Beck to pull off another Midnite Vultures.

The album carries with it a kind of dare to other artists to try to follow it up. I hate to say it, but Beyoncé and Frank O. and Miguel all sound a bit ... Forced in comparison to D.

Hopefully the wait for the next album won't be anywhere near as long.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

meh! it's like she's trying too hard for that figure. bet she can't buck like a real stallion like those mean cellulite thighs packing chicks. not sloppy enough for me.

oh god!! haha!!

I wish I had something to add here, because I feel I share your enthusiasm, but I kinda have no idea what the fuck you're saying. You like more cellulite? Just wait. All of those girls are built for hauling wide loads. They all bounce around weight wise, and if this one hasn't yet, then she probably will expand quite a bit in the coming years.

I'm not really into any of them. But I have to admit, I am a bit fascinated by Kim K. I can imagine far less desirable destinations for a weekend getaway.

[noisereductions]

Blowout Comb is incredible. A masterpiece.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

I love U guys. sometimes I think ya'll hate me with my crazy post. like "is this dude Aspergers or what". but I mis read posts sometimes because my brain plays tricks on me, but I can switch it with confidence. it's weird.

shit. I've been here long enough to have some emotional attachment. you know, sometimes I cross that threshold like some flashback shit. neurotic.

I have a younger cousin with Asperger's. He's about to graduate from college. Most of his problems are social- he breaks up with girls and they hate him and he's like "what?" So basically he's like most 22 year old guys. Hah.

Asperger's isn't actually a technical diagnosis anymore. its basically just "autism with high cognitive and social functioning" .. Nothing to be ashamed of certainly.

And it's natural to develop some emotional attachment to any environment that you spend a lot of time in. I only briefly disliked you when I thought you were Genteel Death. You're cool with me. Pretty much everyone is. I only "dislike" Genteel Death. And I can't even call it disliking, because I don't know anything about GD other than that he loves to act like a cunt for no reason.

Hugs all around.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

Kim was sexy back in 2005 but now it's an overload. all of them an overload. it's like having to see a person everyday and ever knowing the surface. those women reveal nothing to me. it's a show. a soap opera turned real life. soft porn with condoms while waiting to check out yr groceries.

Dude, I'm not saying I'm emotionally attracted to her. I've never even seen Keeping up with th Kardashians. I don't even know if it's still on, or what. I haven't even YouTubed the Kanye cameos. I just have a thing for Armenian chicks who think they're better than me.

Even when Kim's busting out of some nasty track suit, and not keeping to her celery and YEEZY cum diet, I would still annihilate that. If I wasn't spoken for, and she wasn't married to my dawg, that is.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by noisereductions

Blowout Comb is incredible. A masterpiece.

I might even prefer it to Midnight Marauders and Low End Theory. ATCQ was a better group... But Blowout Comb is perfect.

Oh, hey speaking of tribe, you know they're reissuing People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm with (for some reason) 3 extra remixes, from J. Cole, Cee-Lo and someone else...

Don't really see the point of that. It deserves a proper deluxe edition. But fuckit I'm buying that thang.

[noisereductions]

Pharrell is the other remixer son!

[noisereductions]

Plus allthe old remixes are on Seasoned Quest For The Revised Traveler

[Severian]

Originally Posted by noisereductions

Pharrell is the other remixer son!

Meh. I'm kinda down on Pharrell these days. Kinda sick of that dude, to be honest.

Anyone heard Milo's new album? I like Milo. Nice cameos on the new Botany album. He's weird as shit.

[noisereductions]

Woah woah woah I love Pharrell man. I heart NERD big time.

[noisereductions]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

I love U guys. sometimes I think ya'll hate me with my crazy post. like "is this dude Aspergers or what". but I mis read posts sometimes because my brain plays tricks on me, but I can switch it with confidence. it's weird.

shit. I've been here long enough to have some emotional attachment. you know, sometimes I cross that threshold like some flashback shit. neurotic.

Love you too dood. Sometimes you come at me and I dont get it. But I always prefer you are here.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by noisereductions

Woah woah woah I love Pharrell man. I heart NERD big time.

I'm not talking NERD right now. I'm talking "Get Happy", Despicable Me-soundtrack, GIRL and Snoop's Bush album (which is really ok, just gets a little monotonous production wise).

I'm talking Pharrell the pop star who has almost nothing to do with hip hop. It's just oversaturation. As always, though, I mean no offense to anyone who disagrees. 'Specially you, bro. I'm just saying I haven't felt super down with Pharrell since Child Rebel Soldier officially became not a thing.


Sorry dude.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by noisereductions

Love you too dood. Sometimes you come at me and I dont get it. But I always prefer you are here.

Yeah, this.

Pepper: I've enjoyed you in all of your incarnations, and I prefer SYG when you're part of it. But sometimes I too get confused when you kind of lash out at me.

Anyway we're all good. Everybody's good. We're all rainbows and Percocet and virgins and angel food cake over here.

[louder]

Originally Posted by Severian

I was just listening to it again yesterday. It really does feel like a kind of definitive statement. Humble, but uncompromising. In some ways it feels like the pinnacle of modem soul. Like, Erykah Badu had come close to this kind of brilliance before (specifically thinking of New Amerykah vol.1 here- "Soldier", "My People", "The healer") but as great as that record was it relied on electronic eccentricity and production a bit too much to really feel like a genuine soul record.

D'angelo has made an immediate classic that will either turn tides and produce followers, or separate D from the schizophrenic mainstream and send him off on his own, an outsider icon like Prince or Tom Waits. Either way, Black Messiah kinda feels like the Yeezus of soul. Yeezus didn't need to sell a million copies in its first week like Graduation, because the music demanded to be heard and digested and considered. Then it came to basically mark yet another new era for hip hop, and Black Messiah is very much the same. For better or worse, Black Messiah is going to make it a hell of a lot harder for Beck to pull off another Midnite Vultures.

The album carries with it a kind of dare to other artists to try to follow it up. I hate to say it, but Beyoncé and Frank O. and Miguel all sound a bit ... Forced in comparison to D.

Hopefully the wait for the next album won't be anywhere near as long.

He said he'll drop a "companion piece" this year, but even if it doesn't happen we're still feasting off Black Messiah so it's all good.

By the way, no hype for Gibbs here?? Okay..

[Severian]

I'm super stoked about the new Freddie Gibbs release. Really, I am. I expect it to be incredible.

But to be honest, I am kinda losing interest in 2015. I mean, we've been waiting for Kanye and Frank Ocean for a goddamn eternity at this point. It's been 14 months since Ye said album #7 could be dropping (sept, 2014... Or "as early as" Sept, 2014.. remember that?)

I'm just totally over the year at this point, because it's pretty obvious that he's not going to put jack shit out in 2015, so let's move the fuck on.

There have been a number of great albums this year, but I just feel a bit burnt out on everything. I know what I want to see... I want to see new Kanye, new Frank Ocean, new Black Bug, a new studio album by DJ Koze, and I'm starting to itch for some new Spiritualized and Flaming Lips. I don't give a fuck about the records making headlines... I don't care about Disclosure or Adele and I'm dead sick of Taylor Swift.

I'm pretty sure almost all of my favorite albums are going to be from the first half of the year. So I'm just ready for something exciting and different to come out of the woodwork.

It's a bit anticlimactic to look back at the year and realize that Kendrick and Hudson Mohawke and Jim O'Rourke really were the high points. Later released by Botany and Oneohtrix Point Never are definitely high points as well, but for the most part TPAB really was the year's biggest and most important release and it's damn near a year old. Practically 2014.

Bring on the new year. Screw Drake V. Meek Mill and Young Thug (really sick of hearing about that punk at this point- genius my ass)

None of this is Freddie's fault though. I'm just bored with shit.