[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by Severian

Real talk though: Even though TLOP is currently being considered more of a "cultural" script-flip, I actually think that in time it will end up having the same effect on music in general that the rest of 'Ye's albums have had.

I think it's apt to think of it as Kanye's White Album. It has a little bit of everything, and that includes dumbass shit like 2016 takes on the skits that populated his first two records ("I love Kanye", "Freestyle 4", "Silver Surfer Intermission", the end of 30 hours).

Did anyone notice the cover of Joywave's latest album?




And there have been other cultural references to TLOP as well.

But I strongly believe that this will influence a whole shit tonigh artists in the same way Ye's other albums have. But because there's so MUCH going on in the album, its actual sonic influence is probably going to be a little more subtle.

That's how it was with MBDTF too. Yeah, that album was like the OKC of hip-hop, and everyone everywhere knew, even if they didn't like it, that it was a game changer. But it didn't produce any direct imitators the way 808's and College Dropout, and Yeezus did. It's probably because the album was not a single statement, and didn't contain one overarching sonic theme (aside from, perhaps, digital maximalism, which Drake kind of aped on Take Care, and which artists like Rustie have pushed to the limit in other genres).

TLOP is a lot like MBDTF in this way. Unlike Yeezus (which was very direct, and had a singular sound throughout... one that inspired Travi$ Scott and new bloods like KIT and gave Pusha T a shot of adrenaline for his big comeback) or 808's, which we all know is probably Ye's most influential album, TLOP spins off in every direction. So I think its influence will be less about direct imitation, and more about other artists continuing to vibe on the record's general frequency.

For example, I think very few albums have been as influenced by MBDTF as Kendrick's To Pimp a Butterfly. They sound absolutely NOTHING alike, but are similar in size and scope. Kendrick didn't rip Ye off in any way, shape or form, but he made a Comton street poet's version of a prog-rap album, and the result has been, essentially, that when it comes to grand hip-hop statements, the 2010s can be represented by those two albjms and pretty much nothing else. If someone were to have a big conspiracy board devoted to modern hip-hop, there would be a little line of yarn connecting these two albums, and moving on to a giant ?.

I suspect TLOP's influence will be similarly broad.

This is what Rolling Stones fans were saying about Tattooo You...... sad..

[louder]

Oh no, Prince passed away according to TMZ.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/04/21/prince-dead-at-57/

[louder]

Yeah it's legit. http://pitchfork.com/news/64848-prince-dead-at-57/

RIP :'(

[Severian]

SHIT! IT'S TRUE!!

Prince is dead!!'

What the FUCK?

[noisereductions]

absolutely shocking...

David Bowie, Phife, Prince... ugh

[Rob Instigator]

Crazy. Little Richard (83), Chuck Berry (89) and Jerry Lee Lewis (80) have outlived everyone in the rock n roll game.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Better not hear some lame ass fucking comparison between Prince and Kanye and no i am not being facetious or joking in any way.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Better not hear some lame ass fucking comparison between Prince and Kanye and no i am not being facetious or joking in any way.

Oh pull the stick out of your ass. Jesus fucking Christ.

Prince just died. PRINCE. And this is how you respond? Ugh.

[Severian]

Also, when you say you're "not joking" about how you "better not" hear something, what does that mean exactly? That you literally "better not" hear it? And what the hell does that mean?

If you'd said "I'm gonna kill anyone who I hear comparing Kanye to Prince," then I'd be like, oh, wow, this dude means business. But instead you effectively said nothing, and kinda told language to go fuck itself in the process.

What subject do you teach again?

[Severian]

I'm really bored by stupid bickering. SFAD can't fart without dissing Kanye West.

I think we should all take some advice from Thumper or whoever the fuck it was who said "if you can't say something nice.... y'know... don't be a dick," or whatever it was.

Moreover, PRINCE IS DEAD.

This is a goddamn tragedy. We need each other now. Things are so FUCKED!!!

[Severian]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

This is what Rolling Stones fans were saying about Tattooo You...... sad..

Rolling Stones fans said Tattoo You was going to be kinda like My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy and To Pimp a Butterfly?

I thought was they said was: "yuck."

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Severian

I'm really bored by stupid bickering. SFAD can't fart without dissing Kanye West.

Just like you can't seem to breathe without slurping his dick. So there is balance.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Severian

Oh pull the stick out of your ass. Jesus fucking Christ.

Prince just died. PRINCE. And this is how you respond? Ugh.

Iwas going full bush doctrine and preemptive strike there. If you with a straight face thought to compare Kanye to MJ how could i be sure Prince isn't off limits? See you're problem is somehow you equate my hypercriticism of Kanye with somekind of personal attack against you. Stop it. Its not about you. It never was

[Severian]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Iwas going full bush doctrine and preemptive strike there. If you with a straight face thought to compare Kanye to MJ how could i be sure Prince isn't off limits? See you're problem is somehow you equate my hypercriticism of Kanye with somekind of personal attack against you. Stop it. Its not about you. It never was

No man, my problem is when you say asshole shit like "if anyone compares x to y I'm gonna leave. I'm kidding, but I'm serious cuz x is totally sacred you have no idea."

And then Prince, who we all love, fucking DIES out of nowhere and what do you do?

Write a barely intelligible sentence, the gist of which is "compare Prince to Kanye and I'll be mad, and I'm so serious" ... What the fuck? This isn't about Kanye man. I know you don't like him and I actually don't think of your Kane attacks as attacks against me. I brush them off and sometimes hit you with a limp-wristed Deftones dis, but I don't worry about it, and I consider it basically a game.

When I have worried about it, you've assured me you were "kidding, it's all a game, but really thlugh..."

Then you're back to saying "naw, man, I'm serious. I better not hear x compared to y."

What the hell, SFAD? You think I have a problem with you insulting Kanye West? You think I take it personally? You're way off base man. I don't take what you say personally. I'm publically irritated by your flip-flopping bullshit.

Why do you even feel the need to launch a "pre-emptive strike?" when we're talking about a man's death? That's messed up, man. Just wiggle that rake out of your ass nice and slow, and say what you mean, and don't back peddle on shit.

And don't be so GOD DAMNED sensitive! So fucking what if someone compares someone to someone else. Get over it. You compared Ye to Donald Trump! I spent about 30 seconds on a reply that said, essentially, "I've thought the same thing, but naw." I didn't puff out my chest and get all Douchey Mgee about it.

Just chill out! Take a Xanax. Seriously man. For a likable guy who I genuinely like, you really say a lot of frustratingly stupid shit when it comes to our silly little conversations about music which are supposed to be fun. Just lighten up. If a comparison is made, disagree with it politely, maybe throw in a light jab for fun, and move on!

I say this because I love you (ish) and you need to hear it.

[Severian]

Damn, fucking Richard Lyons died today too, at the same age!

Not that Negativland is a hip-hop café kind of group (at all), but still. Sad. And strange. I love Negativland.

[louder]

D'Angelo must be broken.. the torch is in his hands now. I hope this will somehow inspire him to go even harder..

[noisereductions]

I'd argue that Negativland overlaps hip hop just fine. I mean, sampling... Besides we all know that the Hip Hop Cafe is just a front for our little treehouse. The sign says "No Homers" - plural - we can have one.

[noisereductions]

yooo I forgot the new Ferg album was out today!!

[Severian]

Originally Posted by noisereductions

yooo I forgot the new Ferg album was out today!!

No shit? Alright. Ima check this out.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

I love trolling Severian. It makes it still feel like this is Sonic Youth Gossip