Unpopular Musical Opinions - Page 83

demonrail666 · 07.24.2009, 03:39 AM

well i do

edit: well i don't know if i'd say it was one of the best albums of the 90s but it is a great album, and definitely the only really worthwhile thing that hole has ever released.

atsonicpark · 07.24.2009, 03:49 AM

Even after 8 years of listening, Captain Beefheart still blows me the fuck away. I mean, the dude hasn't even recorded anything in nearly 30 years, and yet he is still the standard by which "experimental rock" is judged. Has anyone even come close? (yeah, a few have come close) He basically made his own language, yet every album is really different than the one before it. Just loaded with ideas, and he pumped them out at an incredible rate. When I listen to his albums, it's hard to believe that a musician like this actually existed at all. I mean, even after 1000 listens, this shit still confounds me. What really is amazing is how effortless it all sounds. Besides a few instrumentals, and actually a few songs on "Lick My Decals Off, Baby", the music usually sounds quite relaxed and organic.. it doesn't sound like the musicians are being pushed to the limit too bad, which really boggles my mind... how much further could they have went? Better yet, where did the Captain find these fucking people? Zoot Horn Rollo played with all 10 of his fingers. I mean, what the fuck? How do you find people like that? The only sad thing about Beefheart's music is that it really should have changed some things. There's no drummer out there like John French (I can think of a few that come close, like that girl from the Warmers, and even some of Greg Saunier's surprisingly 'off' beats) -- instead, we're stuck in the 4/4 "mother's heartbeat" rhythms forever. I dunno, the music is so weird, because it really is so... I can't even put my finger on it. Have you ever tried to play a song like a Trout Mask-era song? It likely just sounds like a tuneless racket. He made the tuneless.. tuneful. That's what's really amazing about his music.

Rob Instigator · 07.24.2009, 09:45 AM

while I have grown in my appreciation for the beefheart, he was not doing anything that thelonious monk did not do better 30-40 years before in terms of "tuneless tunes".

Toilet & Bowels · 07.24.2009, 09:55 AM

i had an album by come, but i gave it away, it didn't do anything for me

MellySingsDoom · 07.24.2009, 10:02 AM

I saw Come play live once - they were OK, but not much more than that. I prefer the other Come, which is William Bennett in pre-Whitehouse mode.

demonrail666 · 07.24.2009, 10:07 AM

It took me a while to really get into Come (the Thalia Zedek, not William Bennet version) but since I have, 11:11 has become one of my most played albums. It sort of creeps along without seeming to do very much but, well yeah, I dunno, I love it but fair enough to those who don't.

Derek · 07.24.2009, 10:18 AM

The Afghan Whigs are good.

Satan · 07.28.2009, 02:04 PM

most musicians are at their most best when they're smacked off their heads

Sonic Youth 37 · 07.28.2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Satan

most musicians are at their most best when they're smacked off their heads

This.

Satan · 07.28.2009, 02:06 PM

did i just say most best?

damn.

atsonicpark · 07.28.2009, 02:07 PM

double positive?

Sonic Youth 37 · 07.28.2009, 02:08 PM

doubleplus good.

Speaking of 1984...I can't stand Van Halen.

atsonicpark · 07.28.2009, 02:09 PM

WHAT?!

Early Van Halen is amazing. "On Fire"!

Sonic Youth 37 · 07.28.2009, 02:10 PM

David Lee and Eddie just get on my nerves.

Rob Instigator · 07.28.2009, 02:11 PM

van helen as opposed to van hagar, is fucking awesome.

MellySingsDoom · 07.28.2009, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

van helen as opposed to van hagar, is fucking awesome.

Ha ha ha, van helen. I'm calling them that from now on.

The Runaways are equally as great as the Ramones. Joan Jett/Lita Ford wrote riffs equally as good as Johnny and Dee Dee.

Satan · 07.28.2009, 02:21 PM

re van halen
eruption is genius

Sonic Youth 37 · 07.28.2009, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MellySingsDoom

The Runaways are equally as great as the Ramones. Joan Jett/Lita Ford wrote riffs equally as good as Johnny and Dee Dee.

Buzzcocks>Runaways>Ramones>Clash>Sex Pistols

Rob Instigator · 07.28.2009, 02:24 PM

FEAR>Buzzcocks

Satan · 07.28.2009, 02:29 PM

ramones>talking heads>clash>damned>pistols

07.24.2009, 03:39 AM	#1641
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	well i do edit: well i don't know if i'd say it was one of the best albums of the 90s but it is a great album, and definitely the only really worthwhile thing that hole has ever released.
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07.24.2009, 03:49 AM	#1642
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	Even after 8 years of listening, Captain Beefheart still blows me the fuck away. I mean, the dude hasn't even recorded anything in nearly 30 years, and yet he is still the standard by which "experimental rock" is judged. Has anyone even come close? (yeah, a few have come close) He basically made his own language, yet every album is really different than the one before it. Just loaded with ideas, and he pumped them out at an incredible rate. When I listen to his albums, it's hard to believe that a musician like this actually existed at all. I mean, even after 1000 listens, this shit still confounds me. What really is amazing is how effortless it all sounds. Besides a few instrumentals, and actually a few songs on "Lick My Decals Off, Baby", the music usually sounds quite relaxed and organic.. it doesn't sound like the musicians are being pushed to the limit too bad, which really boggles my mind... how much further could they have went? Better yet, where did the Captain find these fucking people? Zoot Horn Rollo played with all 10 of his fingers. I mean, what the fuck? How do you find people like that? The only sad thing about Beefheart's music is that it really should have changed some things. There's no drummer out there like John French (I can think of a few that come close, like that girl from the Warmers, and even some of Greg Saunier's surprisingly 'off' beats) -- instead, we're stuck in the 4/4 "mother's heartbeat" rhythms forever. I dunno, the music is so weird, because it really is so... I can't even put my finger on it. Have you ever tried to play a song like a Trout Mask-era song? It likely just sounds like a tuneless racket. He made the tuneless.. tuneful. That's what's really amazing about his music. __________________
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07.24.2009, 09:45 AM	#1643
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,991	while I have grown in my appreciation for the beefheart, he was not doing anything that thelonious monk did not do better 30-40 years before in terms of "tuneless tunes". __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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07.24.2009, 09:55 AM	#1644
Toilet & Bowels invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 12,282	i had an album by come, but i gave it away, it didn't do anything for me
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07.24.2009, 10:02 AM	#1645
MellySingsDoom invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,662	I saw Come play live once - they were OK, but not much more than that. I prefer the other Come, which is William Bennett in pre-Whitehouse mode. __________________ Snow on Easter Sunday - Jesus Christ in reverse.
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07.24.2009, 10:07 AM	#1646
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	It took me a while to really get into Come (the Thalia Zedek, not William Bennet version) but since I have, 11:11 has become one of my most played albums. It sort of creeps along without seeming to do very much but, well yeah, I dunno, I love it but fair enough to those who don't.
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07.24.2009, 10:18 AM	#1647
Derek invito al cielo Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,095	The Afghan Whigs are good.
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07.28.2009, 02:04 PM	#1648
Satan invito al cielo Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: noo yawk Posts: 6,331	most musicians are at their most best when they're smacked off their heads __________________ "I love meth." - batreleaser
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07.28.2009, 02:06 PM	#1650
Satan invito al cielo Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: noo yawk Posts: 6,331	did i just say most best? damn. __________________ "I love meth." - batreleaser
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07.28.2009, 02:07 PM	#1651
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	double positive? __________________
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07.28.2009, 02:08 PM	#1652
Sonic Youth 37 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: if there is a bright spot in the universe, the farthest point from it Posts: 9,443	doubleplus good. Speaking of 1984...I can't stand Van Halen. __________________ "One: Where's the fife? and Two: Gimme the fife."
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07.28.2009, 02:09 PM	#1653
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	WHAT?! Early Van Halen is amazing. "On Fire"! __________________
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07.28.2009, 02:10 PM	#1654
Sonic Youth 37 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: if there is a bright spot in the universe, the farthest point from it Posts: 9,443	David Lee and Eddie just get on my nerves. __________________ "One: Where's the fife? and Two: Gimme the fife."
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07.28.2009, 02:11 PM	#1655
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,991	van helen as opposed to van hagar, is fucking awesome. __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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07.28.2009, 02:21 PM	#1657
Satan invito al cielo Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: noo yawk Posts: 6,331	re van halen eruption is genius __________________ "I love meth." - batreleaser
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07.28.2009, 02:24 PM	#1659
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,991	FEAR>Buzzcocks __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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07.28.2009, 02:29 PM	#1660
Satan invito al cielo Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: noo yawk Posts: 6,331	ramones>talking heads>clash>damned>pistols __________________ "I love meth." - batreleaser
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