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Originally Posted by demonrail666

The one thing I do have trouble with as a Leave voter who sees my opposition to the EU in 'Leftist' terms is that my vote has undoubtedly benefitted the Right more than it has the Left, although I think this is largely down to prominent Euro-sceptic figures on the Left (like Corbyn) shying away from the debate in the build-up to the referendum, essentially handing the Brexit campaign to figures like Farage and Boris Johnson.

But I still stand by my decision and only wish arguments like the one made below had been more widely published

https://www.spiked-online.com/2018/1...a-real-brexit/

aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

that is a huge eye opener for me. i have never heard these arguments before. now i get why may is getting shafted in brussels. no means no means no means no and that is that.

now i dont agree with the guyks proposal really—he’s calling for one type of central planning to replace another. state-directed economic development etc., “industry” as if it could be conjured out of thin air, etc.

but national central planning is at least more local than continent-wide planning.

and i see what he means by the tyrannical power of the bureaucracy...

and he’s right you should have prepared for no deal from the start...

but what about the european parliament and the rotating presidence? makes no difference or what? can they not alter the bureaucracy’s programs??

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

The one thing I do have trouble with as a Leave voter who sees my opposition to the EU in 'Leftist' terms is that my vote has undoubtedly benefitted the Right more than it has the Left, although I think this is largely down to prominent Euro-sceptic figures on the Left (like Corbyn) shying away from the debate in the build-up to the referendum, essentially handing the Brexit campaign to figures like Farage and Boris Johnson.

But I still stand by my decision and only wish arguments like the one made below had been more widely published

https://www.spiked-online.com/2018/1...a-real-brexit/

I think the "mixed race" vote for Brexit was motivated by people who'd feel more included in this country. I personally feel that's not going to be the outcome in the end. if anything it will make euro Nazis even more racist as well as the English who are already racist. Too late.

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

I think the "mixed race" vote for Brexit was motivated by people who'd feel more included in this country.

I can't say I've ever felt excluded.

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

now i dont agree with the guyks proposal really—he’s calling for one type of central planning to replace another. state-directed economic development etc., “industry” as if it could be conjured out of thin air, etc.

That's fine but at least you're disagreeing with a Left wing concept rather than the Right wing ones that people usually associate the Leave position with.

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

but what about the european parliament and the rotating presidence? makes no difference or what? can they not alter the bureaucracy’s programs??

The President is selected from the European Council, members of which are (to quote wikipedia) "bound by their oath of office to represent the general interest of the EU as a whole rather than their home state." Members of the European Parliament (which is an elected body) then vote from this list of candidates but there's really no chance the Council will include anyone who might rock the boat. The current president, Juncker, was on the board of governors at the World Bank before he joined the EU. The previous president went on to become chairman at Goldman Sachs. These aren't people you'd turn to if you wanted to shake things up.

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ooooooooh.... thats why syrizo is talking about financial focus

FINANCE EGGHEADS!

lmao i see.

they should consider that “the european interest” might b to keep members from quitting

time to short the euro then haaaa haaaaaa haaaaaaaa

in recent weeks ive started to realize this alliance is more fragile than i ever knew. precarious, even.

maybe just charlemagnia will be left ha ha ha

damn...

itks like im neo and i took the red pill

and yes, i never heard the left wing arguments indeed

so who are the more loyal members left? there seems to be some france-germany friction actually. germany is the real power yes? who else bands with them?

— typing on the ipad is bit shit

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

they should consider that “the european interest” might b to keep members from quitting

The argument is that they do this through bullying rather than any suggestion of compromise. Juncker was always going to make Britain's exit as painful as he possibly could if only to dissuade other countries from following suit. Lapavitsas is right. This isn't the EU acting from a position of strength, but one of fragility. That's why I agree with him that a no deal should have been our default position from the beginning.

Another pro-Brexit view from the Left (more heavy on the economics)

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/04/b...st-left-corbyn

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Originally Posted by demonrail666

The argument is that they do this through bullying rather than any suggestion of compromise. Juncker was always going to make Britain's exit as painful as he possibly could if only to dissuade other countries from following suit. Lapavitsas is right. This isn't the EU acting from a position of strength, but one of fragility. That's why I agree with him that a no deal should have been our default position from the beginning.

Another pro-Brexit view from the Left (more heavy on the economics)

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/04/b...st-left-corbyn

oh, that.... no. that’s lies hahaha.
the data is real but their conclusions are highly arbitrary.

im glad you explained the array of brexiter positions previously. because any of those could explain the data.

ps- cuba finally got 3g networks last december xD

[demonrail666]

Yeah, I've said already that I'm not entirely sold on the economic arguments. It's just there as another example of the Left talking about this stuff from a position that doesn't get much exposure. My thing is the issue of democratic accountability and its attitude towards reform.

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Originally Posted by demonrail666

Yeah, I've said already that I'm not entirely sold on the economic arguments. It's just there as another example of the Left talking about this stuff from a position that doesn't get much exposure. My thing is the issue of democratic accountability and its attitude towards reform.

yeah, the economic arguments are utter shit lol

i’ve been mulling over the financial aspect of the thing for days now (days?) and i think their fiscal fascism is necessary... not sufficient, but necessary. because without a common fiscal floor, so to speak, the euro is worthless as a unified currency.

at the same time not every country is as productive as, say, germany (though germany going theu a bit of a slump at the moment)

but take italy—youth employment is like 30%? only older people have steady jobs basically and the older set is not hip with technology....

i remember some years ago (not sure how many) the north wanted to split off from the south. if they seceded they’d be in fantastic shape economically.

unification, in other words, is always a problem...

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a few months ago when gm decided to close sedan plants it was obvious that peak sedan buy had already happened

with yesterday's auto sales figures release it looks like peak has also hit the SUV market, so -- nowhere else to go from here

meanwhile, ride sharing in china is exploding (didi in china dwarves uber globally) as buying cars in places like beijing is limited by lottery.

THINGS MUTATE

also, lower car exports are bad for germany, and tariffs on top of this could make them teeter

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holy fuck wat stem cells WAAAAAAAAAAATTTTT

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/h...ide-be-n979186

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48 financial firms apply to move to Germany in Brexit planning

FRANKFURT (Reuters) - German regulators have received 48 applications in recent months from financial firms seeking to relocate to Germany in the wake of Britain’s decision to leave the European Union, an official said on Thursday.

Elisabeth Roegele, an executive director with Germany’s Bafin financial markets watchdog, said that more applications could still come.

“There are still companies that are only now dealing with the issue,” she added.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKCN1QO12B

now my obv question is what companies are these and how big are they

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job creation in february took a massive shit to only 20K rather than the normal 160-180K

otoh wages rose .4% and unemployment down to 3.8%

looks like we've hit a wall there with employment

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the brexit mess is a zoo again, and great hysteria about the boeing plane

will may call for an election?

apple stock kicking ass

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OOOOOORDER... ORDEEEEEER....

242 391 the nos have it

wtf is up with her throat man. gotta quit the smokes

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EUR/USD has been shooting upwards all day and continues

GBP/USD just started rising

eta now crashing back a little. very volatile!

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What a total omnishambles it is for May. Bless her.

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That sore throat is from deepthroating Juncker all day today

[demonrail666]

She's been in an impossible position from the beginning: trying to reconcile two sides that will never be reconciled and dealing with countless different agendas. I've no idea what the next step will be. I can see a vote in favour of extending article 50 but will the EU accept that? And even if they do, we'd then have the farce of participating in the next EU election. Whatever side of the argument you're on, this is a shambles.

[h8kurdt]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

She's been in an impossible position from the beginning: trying to reconcile two sides that will never be reconciled and dealing with countless different agendas. I've no idea what the next step will be. I can see a vote in favour of extending article 50 but will the EU accept that? And even if they do, we'd then have the farce of participating in the next EU election. Whatever side of the argument you're on, this is a shambles.

Agreed there, my man. I can't even begin to explain the dread I have at the idea of a no deal brexit.