[knox]

Originally Posted by wellcharge

if you define atheism as a lack of belief there's no faith involved, but for example satan said there's obviously no god, which is a belief,

she even said "this makes me just like them, except that im right"

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by Pookie

That's what it IS. Look in a dictionary and it will say Atheism: a lack of belief.

Atheism is a lack of belief in God.

Theo is its root. As such, it is a statement of omission. For example, if there were an empty room, one might say there is a chair. Another might tell him he's wrong, there is no chair. The wise third, in response to both, should say there may or may not be a chair. In other words, the third makes no claim as to what is in the room.

[terriblecanyons]

Originally Posted by knox

You might think atheism is a lack of belief. but I think it's still a belief attempting to bring us an explanation for our deepest questions. None of us can prove or disprove any belief efficiently.

 

How can you have a belief in something which is described as a DISBELIEF? LOLFAIL

[the ikara cult]

Originally Posted by knox

You are right. I really am talking about MY definition of the word.
Like I said, lately I started believing that rejecting all explanations provided by religions does not necessarily mean that one does not have spirituality.

I guess what I am trying to say is that personally I find these discussions very strange. I can live with not knowning. I feel it'd be overestimating myself to say there is or there isn't.

And whatever I tend to believe at a certain time, I will avoid voicing it as if I know the truth.

I read this after posting my previous point.
I think what i do that you dont is i come to a conclusion, ive had this arguement with many of my religious friends and they tend to say the same thing to me that you say. Yeah, atheism isnt an assertion, its the refutation of an assertion thats already been made; you can have atheism without theism

[knox]

Originally Posted by the ikara cult

Jesus, how dare I have a concise point. Atheism assumes nothing about the big questions of the Universe, it just says that assuming there is a creator behind it all is irrational and premature because theres no evidence to suggest exactly that. Its a lack of belief in one thing and one thing only; Gods as proposed by man.
You may dislike this or disagree with this, but the one thing its not the equivolant of is belief in Gods

Alright, then I am an atheist.

Let's just put it this way then: there's a lot of people out there treating atheism as you treat a religion. Claiming that you have to agree with all these things in order to be a REAL atheist. Sorry for my rant.

[Pookie]

Originally Posted by knox

Alright, then I am an atheist.

Let's just put it this way then: there's a lot of people out there treating atheism as you treat a religion. Claiming that you have to agree with all these things in order to be a REAL atheist. Sorry for my rant.

Where are all of these militant atheists I keep reading about?

[knox]

Originally Posted by terriblecanyons

 

How can you have a belief in something which is described as a DISBELIEF? LOLFAIL

one could understand a disbelief as a form of belief.

[knox]

Originally Posted by Pookie

Where are all of these militant atheists I keep reading about?

dinner parties mostly. they're not that organized.
and im not saying they don't have the right to do it, of course they do.

i think people are misinterpreting me and taking me as someone who believes in god or something.

[terriblecanyons]

Originally Posted by knox

one could understand a disbelief as a form of belief.

that's like saying "I'm an avid not-football fan. I love not-football."

[knox]

Originally Posted by pbradley

Atheism is a lack of belief in God.

Theo is its root. As such, it is a statement of omission. For example, if there were an empty room, one might say there is a chair. Another might tell him he's wrong, there is no chair. The wise third, in response to both, should say there may or may not be a chair. In other words, the third makes no claim as to what is in the room.

yes thats what ive been trying to say. thanks.

[the ikara cult]

Originally Posted by knox

Alright, then I am an atheist.

Let's just put it this way then: there's a lot of people out there treating atheism as you treat a religion. Claiming that you have to agree with all these things in order to be a REAL atheist. Sorry for my rant.

No probs, i always like a good rant, even when its against me
All ill say is there arent rules for being an atheist and if youre not one you arent damned for being so

[knox]

Originally Posted by terriblecanyons

that's like saying "I'm an avid not-football fan. I love not-football."

yes it's sort of like that.
but you just said it, so it can be said.

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by Pookie

Where are all of these militant atheists I keep reading about?

 

CAN I HAS SCIENTIFIC REALISMZ PLZ?

[terriblecanyons]

Originally Posted by knox

yes it's sort of like that.
but you just said it, so it can be said.

well, of course one can say it, but does it make any fucking sense? no.

[knox]

Originally Posted by the ikara cult

No probs, i always like a good rant, even when its against me
All ill say is there arent rules for being an atheist and if youre not one you arent damned for being so

thats the way i see it too, but certain people have been taking atheism religiously. some.

[Pookie]

Originally Posted by knox

yes thats what ive been trying to say. thanks.

No, that's what I've been saying. You've been saying atheism is a matter of faith.

[knox]

Originally Posted by terriblecanyons

well, of course one can say it, but does it make any fucking sense? no.

this is an endless discussion, in what sense does it make sense, in what sense does it not make sense blah blah blah, its a matter of perception.

[terriblecanyons]

Originally Posted by knox

thats the way i see it too, but certain people have been taking atheism religiously. some.

atheism... religiously...

 

[the ikara cult]

Originally Posted by knox

thats the way i see it too, but certain people have been taking atheism religiously. some.

Im not being shitty, but what do people do when they take it religiously?

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by knox

yes thats what ive been trying to say. thanks.

Of course, though, I do consider myself an atheist.

But it would take me a lot of effort to explain how I progressed to that from an agnostic position. It involves Heidegger. ;(