[Genteel Death]

you trolling me AGAIN?

[ni'k]

no, the following isn't meant in the spirit of trolling:

i really don't think that people telling other people on message boards "how to live their lives" is that much of an imposition, unless those people are utterly blank idiots who are irresistibly drawn towards mimicking anything anyone says to them because they can't think for themselves whatsoever.

not that i was actually doing that. or that "telling someone how to lives their lives" isn't a fucking stupid concept to attach to one suggestion about one subject.

heaven forbid anyone say anybody else should do anything? why do you and others seem to think or at least act like NOT being told what to do is some sort of freedom? or that anything anyone says anyone else should is a fascistic order they are meant to obey at all costs and unthinkingly. if you were never told to do ANYTHING things would not somehow be better because of it.

[cryptowonderdruginvogue]

 

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by ni'k

no, the following isn't meant in the spirit of trolling:

i really don't think that people telling other people on message boards "how to live their lives" is that much of an imposition, unless those people are utterly blank idiots who are irresistibly drawn towards mimicking anything anyone says to them because they can't think for themselves whatsoever.

not that i was actually doing that. or that "telling someone how to lives their lives" isn't a fucking stupid concept to attach to one suggestion about one subject.

heaven forbid anyone say anybody else should do anything? why do you and others seem to think NOT being told what to do is some sort of freedom? if you were never told to do ANYTHING things would not somehow be better because of it.

I don't doubt the motivation behind you posts isn't genuine, and I like that. On the other hand, I do doubt the motivation for Satan to start this thread is more serious than how it comes across. To me that's something you should bear in mind. I have to admit I still don't believe Satan is having a baby to start with, which makes this thread all the more sad. I hope she is, but that's just me.

[knox]

Originally Posted by ni'k

well by that logic knox you shouldn't tell someone not to walk across a bridge that is about to collapse because "there are many other dangerous bridges and you would also have to tell them not to walk straight off the cliff instead of even walking onto the bridge."

its not about telling people things, its about saying things for the sake of the truth value they have in themselves. so yes, i would hope all women know that all those things you listed are dangerous to their pregnancies. and i would hope if they somehow didn't know and laboured under the assumption that these things were not dangerous someone would tell them.

i'm pretty sure most pregnant women are aware of the dangers of smoking.
usually, their doctors are in charge of that so i don't think they need random citizens to remind them constantly - it's not like they forget, it's more like they're addicted.

[ni'k]

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

I don't doubt the motivation behind you posts isn't genuine, and I like that. On the other hand, I do doubt the motivation for Satan to start this thread is more serious than how it comes across. To me that's something you should bear in mind. I have to admit I still don't believe Satan is having a baby to start with, which makes this thread all the more sad. I hope she is, but that's just me.

bearing this in mind there's nothing i would have said differently to her.

[ni'k]

Originally Posted by knox

i'm pretty sure most pregnant women are aware of the dangers of smoking.
usually, their doctors are in charge of that so i don't think they need random citizens to remind them constantly - it's not like they forget, it's more like they're addicted.

addiction can only be the act of refusal to quit. not inability to quit. for if you are to see it like this you shall never actually quit.

now, i really have said all i will say on all this.

[knox]

I suppose you haven't been addicted to anything?

[ploesj]

i'm just going to say something that hasn't been mentioned yet:

congratulations again on the baby satan, i hope everything goes well for the next 10 weeks!

[knox]

nicotine is way more addictive than food, generally.

i find taking up exercise or dieting much easier than quitting smoking.

usually, people don't know how hard it is to quit unless they've been there.

tho it's true that some people have that easier than others, but i suppose that's because there are some people who are genetically less inclined to be addicted to things.

you'll find that doctors do say pregnant women should quit smoking, but most i've seen say cutting back is less dangerous than simply quitting at once.

[DeadDiscoDildo]

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

Your posts are like being showered in cacophonic diarrhea.

Edit - DDD

From you that's probably a compliment, you sick bastard.

[DeadDiscoDildo]

Originally Posted by knox

well then you're gonna have to start telling women with certain health conditions, genetic disorders, problems with substances or poison, over 35, diabetic, with hiv, drug addictions, diabetes, obesity or even women who live in very polluted cities not to have babies? You're gonna have to try and stop them and control their diets, activities and stress levels? Because all of those things are dangerous, a lot of them more dangerous than smoking.

A woman not being able to quit smoking during pregnancy is not the same thing as a mean child abuser, you gotta be out of your mind to even imply that.

next thing you'll say women who feed their children junk food should be punished?

Also, I think what you're implying is very insulting towards Satan.

Drug addicts should not RAISE children.

Obesity, diabetes, etc. are not always brought on by choices made by the person. Don't be such a fucking troll. I know a guy with diabetes who took care of himself his whole life. It wasn't cuz he ate shit and was a fat slob.

Smoking while pregnant is a choice, raising a child in a house filled with 2nd hand smoke is a choice. Beating a child is a choice. Maybe not the best analogy, but far closer than yours. You are harming the child and know you are harming the child and still harming the child anyways. It's selfish.

And no I dont go around judging people, but if you admit something stupid like "ya I still smoke and am pregnant, does that make me a terrible person?" on a message board I will answer the fucking question.

And I would prefer you not tell me what I'm going to post next.

Women who feed their children junk food should learn to cook. Maybe.

[jon boy]

your pregnant, well done. dont smoke its bad for the baby.

[davenotdead]

let's flip the tables.

imagine men get pregnant. imagine satan is a man and posts this thread.

guys post "dude, you know its wrong, so quit being a selfish prick and stop harming your kid"

and satan would be all: "you're right man. i'm tryin. I'm gonna do it."

but instead, we get all the asshole women commiserating together and telling men "well you don't know whats it like, and don't tell me what to do with my body".

a man, pregnant or not, would not post that.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by davenotdead

let's flip the tables.

imagine men get pregnant. imagine satan is a man and posts this thread.

guys post "dude, you know its wrong, so quit being a selfish prick and stop harming your kid"

and satan would be all: "you're right man. i'm tryin. I'm gonna do it."

but instead, we get all the asshole women commiserating together and telling men "well you don't know whats it like, and don't tell me what to do with my body".

a man, pregnant or not, would not post that.

is your "men vs. women" routine some sort of 80s comedy revival?

[davenotdead]

starring emilio estevez and phoebe cates. yes

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by davenotdead

starring emilio estevez and phoebe cates. yes

i see. i thought it was more like this shit:

http://www.snotr.com/video/1180

warning: the audience laughs, but it's painful to watch

[knox]

Originally Posted by DeadDiscoDildo

Drug addicts should not RAISE children.

Obesity, diabetes, etc. are not always brought on by choices made by the person. Don't be such a fucking troll. I know a guy with diabetes who took care of himself his whole life. It wasn't cuz he ate shit and was a fat slob.

Smoking while pregnant is a choice, raising a child in a house filled with 2nd hand smoke is a choice. Beating a child is a choice. Maybe not the best analogy, but far closer than yours. You are harming the child and know you are harming the child and still harming the child anyways. It's selfish.

And no I dont go around judging people, but if you admit something stupid like "ya I still smoke and am pregnant, does that make me a terrible person?" on a message board I will answer the fucking question.

And I would prefer you not tell me what I'm going to post next.

Women who feed their children junk food should learn to cook. Maybe.

I thought your point was risks for the child not a moral debate on what's a person's choice or what is not.

If your concerns are really about the child, then you would be more worried about an obese person, or someone with genetic disorders having a baby. Let's stop this false moralism then.

I don't particularly think any of these things are choices: being fat, having diabetes, being a drug addict.

And I'm not in a position to say who should or shouldn't have children. Because if I were, I'd say 99% of the population shouldn't.

As for being pregnant, I have no idea how that feels. Still, a man knows even less.

What I do know is how hard it is to quit smoking, therefore I do not judge anyone for failing at that.

Now, I'd imagine it'd be much easier for a pregnant woman to quit smoking if her partner did as well, and the whole environment would be smoke-free. Now I don't see anyone having at go at men for not "helping" their pregnant ladies quit.

I don't even have to begin explaining how beating up a child is a million times more damaging and wrong than having a few smokes while you're pregnant, do I? Honestly.

It's easy to judge and say smoking is a "choice" but deep down you know quite well it is not. Otherwise, it wouldn't be so fucking hard to quit.

[space]

Originally Posted by davenotdead

a man, pregnant or not, would not post that.

well you don't know whats it like, and don't tell me what to do with my body.

o, ya. I went there.

[knox]

Of course, another debate is why "community" has this expectation that a woman should instantly become a selfless being from the moment she learns she's pregnant. When obviously that level of self-control and selflessness is not even human, and the daddy generally doesn't face these high expectations and finger-pointing.