[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

i'll leave it at that.

Damn. I was enjoying that

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

Damn. I was enjoying that

ha ha-- me too but i ran out of things to say. don't like to hammer over & over.

but

found an article last night talking about how scorsese's subject since goodfellas has been "the soul under materialism" (or something like that, can't recall the exact phrasing).

this is tracked from goodfellas to wolf, it even includes age of innocence in that (i had forgotten about age of innocence). also a good evaluation of casino under this framework that makes me want to watch it more carefully again.

i pretty much agree with that article in its entirety, from what i've seen and hear scorsese talk about in interviews plus his priestly aspirations etc ect.

talks abot the legacy of goodfellas and everything it enabled since (sopranos, breaking bad, etc-- plus some things made economically viable on cable due to soprano's success)

i can post you the link if you're curious.

[demonrail666]

If you would, I'd appreciate it.

I would say give Casino another try. Maybe if you try and forget Goodfellas exists you'll see it differently. I actually think it's one of his most underrated films.

[!@#$%!]

my problem with casino is that it's too similar. but under this "soul" subject i might see it again-- it's been a while since i've last seen goodfellas anyway (maybe a couple of years?). so it should work.

here's the thing: http://filmmakermagazine.com/93889-o.../#.Veb7G3gQa20

i like particularly how it lists all the work that followed in goodfellas' footsteps. besides the obvious stylistical template, more having to do with moral ambiguity becoming permissible in big productions. in that he's altered us all forever.

[Severian]

Hey !@#$%!, did you ever respond to my Man of Steel question? I asked you thought it was the same kind of boring formulaic "ok-I-guess" kind of superhero film as the Cap films and I know you commented on Cap and Marvel in general, but I don't think you mentioned Man of Steel.

All other things aside (and anyone can feel free to chime in here), am I the only person alive who thought Man of Steel was flat out excellent? I can't seem to find a soul in the real world who agrees with me on this one. The best I can hope for is "it wasn't bad, but it was no Thor!" Ugh. Light years beyond any other film adaptation of any other superhero EVER except for Nolan's Batman (and, when I'm in some rate for of nostalgia, Tim Burton's Batman to a much much lesser extent).

Oh and I had some final thought on Scorcese and the influence of Goodfellas on both genre pics and ensemble pieces, but for the life of me I can't remember a goddamn word of it. Blah

[Severian]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

Interstellar.

it had it's mind blowing moments like the special effects. of course it took scientific laws and theories and made them seem like no biggie. o.k. either way I enjoyed it but, I like any space movie that doesn't delve too much into fantasy crap. maybe there be more movies like this and Gravity.

Did you black out during the second half of Interstellar by any chance?.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Severian

Hey !@#$%!, did you ever respond to my Man of Steel question? I asked you thought it was the same kind of boring formulaic "ok-I-guess" kind of superhero film as the Cap films and I know you commented on Cap and Marvel in general, but I don't think you mentioned Man of Steel.

All other things aside (and anyone can feel free to chime in here), am I the only person alive who thought Man of Steel was flat out excellent? I can't seem to find a soul in the real world who agrees with me on this one. The best I can hope for is "it wasn't bad, but it was no Thor!" Ugh. Light years beyond any other film adaptation of any other superhero EVER except for Nolan's Batman (and, when I'm in some rate for of nostalgia, Tim Burton's Batman to a much much lesser extent).

Oh and I had some final thought on Scorcese and the influence of Goodfellas on both genre pics and ensemble pieces, but for the life of me I can't remember a goddamn word of it. Blah

i don't think i've bothered seeing man of steel. but if it's the one about amy adams in the north pole or something i think it was an unmitigated piece of shit.

for my taste anyway.

i'm really not much into superheros. really haven't been since i was 9. i went from superhero comix to astérix to war novels to fantastic novels to grownup novels to film.

i do like some children's films though. but superheros are in that in-between space that doesn't do it for me. miyazaki >> stan lee.

i did like avengers though because it was funny. joss whedon can do great stuff.

oh i also liked x-men 2.

oh and hellboy. del toro rules.

batman zzzzzzz. i had a batman scooter when i was 3 though. without even knowing what banging was, i wanted to bang catwoman.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

 

I always love this flick.. its like Legend of the Fall only with less carbs and less filling. Its the Michelob Ultra of peak Brad Pitt era.. or maybe a Rolling Rock

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

 

I also somehow watched an hour of this in a fever haze ealier this week.. i had the realization that Fight Club is just a grittier version of this. Guy gets disillusioned.. falls for girl deep in his disillusioned experiment. Some overly masculine shit going on..its a buddy flick.. and then guy has deeper self realization and falls in love with the girl
.. happily ever after..

Does this make Fight Club brilliant or is Jerry MacGuire really brilliant? Neither? Don't judge me.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

no. are you talking about the tesseract part? yeah that was out there. like I said, it seem to jump through time and space and planet to planet with little to no effort(yes, I know there was a wormhole). like, "well, time to go to some galaxy millions of light years away. guess I see you when I see you. peace out." nobody seemed amazed about anything that was happening unlike a movie like Contact and a little comedy came into play when matt damon showed up.

I enjoyed the suspense. not the science.

What about the ending? Where Coop and TARS go into the .. You know what.. And end up.. You know where/when... and ... yknow *morse code* and stuff....

I mean, as a whole, it seems quite sci-fi to me. Like the polar opposite of Gravity in many ways. Gravity was an isolation thriller that took place in space. It wasn't a film I'd compare to Interstellar. Gravity was realistic, with zero fantasy elements. Interstellar was science/speculative fiction plain and simple.

But I guess the genuine human quality in both stories was more realist than anything else. On that level, yeah, the two films share a Very human emotional core, with symbolic emphasis on parenthood and grief.

So I suppose I dig.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Severian

Gravity was realistic, with zero fantasy elements.

not to nitpick, but while gravity tries to look like science-fact, it's a little science-magical-realism. you now who i'm talking about (i'll try not to give out much).

also you can't dodge debris by turning your face away from it (though i'll admit i'm applying moronic logic here-- this is something we must allow in good faith)

but on the other magical-realist coat of vaseline, think about it. yes! and i like it.

i liked that movie a lot more than i had expected to like it btw. i went with "ugh, bullock & clooney" , but left smiling. (i'm losing my cynical edge, dammit...) but no, for real, great little movie.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

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Does this make Fight Club brilliant or is Jerry MacGuire really brilliant? Neither? Don't judge me.

Actually, I have more or less always felt that Jerry Maguire was sort of brilliant.

When it came out, I kinda resented the hard right turn into typical Hollywood romance land that the film takes about ⅔ of the way through. Mostly because the first half was really great from the get go... an almost Salingeresque take on the struggle of a single man to be genuine in an industry where conscience and integrity exist only as "pitches". Catcher in the Rye for the conscious capitalist, with a new yuppie breed of "phonies" existing in the space between other people's work and the money made by it.

The second half felt at first like a dim and predictable plot maneuver that didn't live up to the cleverness of the primary plot. But now I see it as a relatively realistic (for Hollywood) depictions of how "meant to be" partnerships actually tend to pan out especially when they revolve around someone as obviously confused and codependent as Jerry.
Yeah, it has a happy ending, and happy endings only occur in death. But the film grapples with some very real issues: Good men wanting to do the right thing, proposing for the wrong reasons to an underestimated woman he feels a misguided sense of responsibility for... guy really loves the woman's kid, or wants to love the kid, misinterprets random events for signs, and breaks a girl's heart. This shit happens. Happy endings do not.

That whole section of the film was tough for me for a long time. In real life, that "relationship" would probably have either fallen apart long before any vows were exchanged or all that unfocused passion and well-intentioned mutual admiration would have fizzled away into another loveless two bed marriage, and the kid would have been snorting oxys and throwing darts at pictures of his step dad's head by age 16.

But for a big time Hollywood romantic dramedy, Jerry Maguire is pretty much the best film that can be made using that very limited ingredients list. It does a better job than any others that come immediately to mind with the exception of The Graduate, and possibly Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.

The only thing I just can't swallow is that "you had me at hello" bit.

First of all, I don't know if anyone else was paying attention, but motherfucket never said hello. Not at the beginning of that good-by-big-Hollywood standards speech, not at the beginning of their relationship. Never! You still hear that line come up in comedies and memes and word bubbles... "You Had Me At Hello" is one of the most quoted lines in the history of film. But 20 years later, O still have yet to see anyone point out this one simple fact. I've heard the argument that Zellweger's character was being deliberately cheesy, and a little cheeky, when she said that. And of course many people seem to think that the line is a universal code for "we good/it's ok/let's fuck" and that its an appropriate response to any accepted offer or plea.

Like this familiar bar scene..
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Guy in bar: Hey there, whatcha drinkin?
Lady in bar: vermouth on the rocks.
Guy: You look like you could use a refill.. May I?
Lady: you had me at hello
Both: *explosive laughter, flicked wrists (oh you!) and pointing at one another (yeah you know that one, we know that one.. ahh, we have a thing in common!)
[silence]
Lady: ... wanna do lines off my ass crack and fuck in the can?
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hey, I'd buy that if "you had me at hello" was already a romcom staple, and Zellweger's Dorothy was quoting, say, Casablanca or something, when she said it in the film. But it wasn't! Dorothy should have just said "shut up" and left it at that. Then she should have asked the room full of clucking bitches to get the hell out of her house so she could talk to her damn husband.

Aside from that wholly unrealistic ending (Jerry's speech, while touching, also would be a no-fly in the real world), I have come to genuinely think of Jerry Maguire as a great film.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

I hate to be the one to break it to you.. but check the script. He did say "hello? I am looking for my wife"
http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_s...pt-cruise.html

[Severian]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

I hate to be the one to break it to you.. but check the script. He did say "hello? I am looking for my wife"
http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_s...pt-cruise.html

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Fair enough.
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Shit. Haha. Oh well. Woulda been a good talking point had it been true.

Still, if he said "hello?" to the whole room of hens, then just kind of hollered "I'm looking for my wife" into the din, to no one in particular, then it still misses the mark. In order for that famous line to work, then he would have absolutely needed to say "hello" directly to Dorothy at or near the beginning of his little speech.

I doubt he "had her" before she knew he was in the room. Good catch, man. Really. But I want to be a stickler about this because there's not enough stickling going on in the world.

Whatever was said before Dorothy makes eye contact with Jerry and gives her gaggle the stand down order is part of something before the iconic scene.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

maybe im comparing the two more for the special effects and than the realism, but all the laws and theories were there in Interstellar just bending the true a little or a whole lot depending on your view point of Hollywood and emphasis on correct knowledge. im saying it wasn't total fantasy sci-fi crap. got me?!?!

yes, I think you kinda dig what im saying though, I never thought about the two films sharing similar parent love themes.

Definitely not your average sci fi crap, for sure.

I LOVE sci-fi in literature. Most styles and and sub genres and mini-movements and variations as well. I also love Fantasy, though somewhat less consistently. But sci-fi films are tough to pull off. They either have to be GREAT or they kinda suck. Occasionally greatness comes in the form of an odd, challenging, and maybe even a little bit stupid sleeper hit or cult flick. These films can end up being as great as the GREAT ones, but most sci-fi films make terrible decisions and end up in the "suck" category.

I agree fully that Interstellar was completely free of the gimmicky franchise pushing crap and the over-stated action-only payoffs that plague so many of these films. It's much more 2001: A Space Odyssey than Event Horizon or Fifth Element (though both those movies certainly have their fan hordes)

I'm glad you liked it. I would have pumped that film full of Oscar gold if I'd been whoever the fuck was minding the academy shop this year. Useless fucks. GREAT movie.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Severian

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Fair enough.
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Shit. Haha. Oh well. Woulda been a good talking point had it been true.

Still, if he said "hello?" to the whole room of hens, then just kind of hollered "I'm looking for my wife" into the din, to no one in particular, then it still misses the mark. In order for that famous line to work, then he would have absolutely needed to say "hello" directly to Dorothy at or near the beginning of his little speech.

I doubt he "had her" before she knew he was in the room. Good catch, man. Really. But I want to be a stickler about this because there's not enough stickling going on in the world.

Whatever was said before Dorothy makes eye contact with Jerry and gives her gaggle the stand down order is part of something before the iconic scene.

Asskiss is right you just over thinking it. He clearly said hello in general when walking into the house, and she clearly meant that she heard him when he came in saying hello to no one in particular and that she didn't need his speech.
You're ruining a lovely and romantic scene. Also just don't ever get into this same conversation with your significant other, wifey, momz, grandmomz, sister, homegirl or evening blind date. You will lose many points by expressing less romantic charm than Tim "The Toolman" Taylor

 

[demonrail666]

Driller Killer

love this. Kind of Richard Kern-ish. Always funny seeing it in the horror section. God knows what most people must think when they watch it.

[LifeDistortion]

I'm curious if any Fight Club book and/or film fans have checked out Fight Club 2, the comic book sequel written by Chuck Palahniuk.

 

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

maybe there be more movies like this and Gravity.

I hope so. Those two movies have done more to rekindle my faith in hollywood than anything i've seen in some time.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by LifeDistortion

I'm curious if any Fight Club book and/or film fans have checked out Fight Club 2, the comic book sequel written by Chuck Palahniuk.

 

Whoa. I didn't have any idea this was even happening. I read a Tyler Durden short story Palanhniuk releases last year. It was interesting, but not even in Fight Club's style.

This, on the other hand, looks unmissable. And potentially disastrous. Interesting medium jump.