how is it a faulty analogy?
people seek meaning in all deatsh even though they are all meaningless.
someone kills people with homemead bombs, instead of studying why he did it and why he felt he had to, they study he got ahold of some fertilizer.
weapons are weapons.
it is an APT analogy.

44 million gun owners, that is around 25% of the population. not so scary

a government that chooses to anhihilate it's own populace with nuclear weapons will not be stopped by an army of citizens, no shit. but that will not happen. a government a tyrannical government is much more likely to send in the national guard or the marines, essentially having citizens fight citizens. in that scenario, 44 million gun owners with 225 million guns would scare the fuck out of a tyrannical government.

With a firearm, at a distance of 10 feet, you could be 5ft tall and 4 stone 7 pounds and you have the same capacity to kill as the Ultimate Fighting champion.
I do wonder if this is something guns do, in a society that proclaims to make all people equal but in actuality is biased to its core, having the right to have a gun gives you a feeling of sameness in the sense that it doesnt matter how poor small weak or stupid you are, you can own the same capacity to kill as someone at the top of the pile.

yeah but that's too much paranoias. you have now a federal army plus the national guards on each state.

the 2nd amendment is effectively a legal fossil...

i'm actually reading about it online right now. a lot of interesting material. so i'll post later cos right now everything in my head is half-baked

the wikipedia entry is a good starter cos it provides for many links to outside sources

check it out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

The idea of 25% of people in my country owning a gun scares me. To think if i pissed someone off they could have a gun.

blessed are the meek with guns for they shall inherit the earth

no different than the 100% of the country that you could piss off and they'd set fire to your house. that takes nothing but a match and some rags.


all i am saying is the guns are NOT the problem and never have been. it is th culture.

check out this article about crime rates in USA versus crime rates in UK.
http://www.reason.com/news/show/28582.html

The illusion that the English government had protected its citizens by disarming them seemed credible because few realized the country had an astonishingly low level of armed crime even before guns were restricted. A government study for the years 1890-92, for example, found only three handgun homicides, an average of one a year, in a population of 30 million. In 1904 there were only four armed robberies in London, then the largest city in the world. A hundred years and many gun laws later, the BBC reported that England's firearms restrictions "seem to have had little impact in the criminal underworld." Guns are virtually outlawed, and, as the old slogan predicted, only outlaws have guns. Worse, they are increasingly ready to use them.
Nearly five centuries of growing civility ended in 1954. Violent crime has been climbing ever since. Last December, London's Evening Standard reported that armed crime, with banned handguns the weapon of choice, was "rocketing." In the two years following the 1997 handgun ban, the use of handguns in crime rose by 40 percent, and the upward trend has continued. From April to November 2001, the number of people robbed at gunpoint in London rose 53 percent.
Gun crime is just part of an increasingly lawless environment. From 1991 to 1995, crimes against the person in England's inner cities increased 91 percent. And in the four years from 1997 to 2001, the rate of violent crime more than doubled. Your chances of being mugged in London are now six times greater than in New York. England's rates of assault, robbery, and burglary are far higher than America's, and 53 percent of English burglaries occur while occupants are at home, compared with 13 percent in the U.S., where burglars admit to fearing armed homeowners more than the police. In a United Nations study of crime in 18 developed nations published in July, England and Wales led the Western world's crime league, with nearly 55 crimes per 100 people.

Hmmmmm. No comment.

By Curt Maynard

Darn it, my wife is going to be angry with me again today. I'm suppose to
mow the lawn and do some work on the house, but some crazy bastard went and
murdered 32 people at Virginia Tech today and the media is already fixated
on utilizing this story as another reason Americans should agree to reject
the Second Amendment and voluntarily disarm ourselves. I won't get into my
feelings about these seemingly random school shootings we seen to hear about
so often anymore or who or what motivates them other than to say I'm a bit
skeptical that they are what the media presents them to be. Why am I
skeptical? Facts behind the Columbine shootings have absolutely been covered
up, there is no doubt, most of what we heard in the media about Columbine
was skewed in such a way as to suggest that Klebold and Harris were
neo-Nazis, when in fact the opposite was true, Klebold was Jewish and he and
Harris believed themselves to be the persecuted victims of Nazi like
thinking, i.e. they hated Christians and sought to [and did] single them out
for murder. Their diaries clearly reveal this fact, but thanks to a judge
named Lewis T. Babcock, you'll never hear about this, because he just ruled
a few days ago that facts behind the Columbine shootings will be sealed for
twenty years, quite convenient timing given that this newest shooting
followed his ruling by less than two weeks [and nearly on the anniversary of
the Columbine shooting within the same week in fact]. Trust me, I guarantee
you that this latest shooting too will have many inconsistencies that the
media will not tell you about. I can smell these things any longer. The
Columbine shooting was NOT what it was portrayed to be by the media, there
were more than 100 witnesses whose testimony called into question the
official story of what happened that day in Littleton Colorado,
but many of you aren't aware of this because the media suppressed this information,
something they can easily do, because there are no longer any networks,
newspapers, or news magazines that are independent of Zionist control.

So on to the point of this article. We cannot trust the media to tell us the
truth, which means that we cannot trust what the media will tell us about
the latest shootings at Virginia Tech. The sad fact of the matter is, we
cannot trust the media period. I don't know about you, but it has come to
the point for me, where if Fox News reported that the sun rises in the East,
I'd go outside to confirm this for myself before I'd pass along this
information to anyone else.

As of right now, we do not know who the shooter was or who may have killed
him, or if he even intentionally shot himself. The reason I bring this up,
is that the media has played fast and lose with important facts in the past
so as to reinforce their primary agenda which is to convince Americans that
they should voluntarily disarm themselves in the name of a better, safer
society. Bernard Goldberg, a major league Zionist propagandist spilled the
beans on this in his latest book Arrogance, which was essentially a
worthless piece of pro-Israel propaganda with the exception of this single
important story.

As described by a Rogers University website:

Goldberg analyzed media coverage of a school shooting that occurred at the
Appalachian School of Law in Grundy, Virginia

According to Goldberg, what made this story newsworthy is that the shooter
in this event was subdued by several students who themselves used guns to
overpower the gunman. Conducting his own Lexis-Nexis search, Goldberg
pronounced himself stunned to discover that in a search of one hundred news
sources, only a few papers in the whole country reported the rescuers had
guns? (p. 186). That many newspapers then used this case to editorialize
their opposition to private ownership of handguns simply reaffirms Goldbergs
belief that a liberal media embraces a reflexive anti-gun bias.

No doubt this is true, which is reinforced by the following excerpt from a
CNN article entitled Suspects in Law School slaying arraigned, which overtly
neglects to mention that those students that tackled the gunmen were
themselves armed with firearms, which undoubtedly made their job much
easier:

Students apparently tackled the gunman, said Ellen Qualls, press secretary
for Virginia Gov. Mark Warner.

Now I'll bet anyone $100.00 today that you and I will never see, not even
once, Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, or CBS, mention the fact that armed
students disarmed a shooter at the Appalachian School of Law back in 2002 on
[this is important] National Television. You will NOT hear about this story
because it does not support the primary agenda the Zionist media which seeks
to imbed into the forefront of our thinking, i.e. that its better to give up
our guns and live in alleged safety than to insist that our Second Amendment
rights to gun ownership be respected by our treasonous government. The
reason for this is that the Zionist media and the traitors in our government
fear us; they fear us because we are a heavily armed society and are
becoming more and more aware of the stink emanating from Washington DC.
Hell, if I were these people, I'd be afraid too.

The Zionist media also won't tell you that Britain and Australian crime rates
have skyrocketed since they willingly gave up their guns a few years ago,
but nonetheless it's true.

In an article I wrote some time ago entitled, Don't let go of your guns, I
emphasized how important it is not to fall for the medias lies, I wrote now
is not the time to even consider giving up guns now is the time to buy them,
in large numbers, in large calibers, for yourself, every member of your
family, and your neighbors. I meant it when I wrote it and I mean it even
more now.

As an aside, I'm watching Bush at this very moment on television as he
attempts to convince Americans that he's shocked by what took place at
Virginia Tech today. The more enlightened reader might ask; how it is that a
man who actively participated in the murder of some 3000 Americans on 9-11
could be shocked by the comparably insignificant number of 32? Fox News has
done its best for the last few hours to convince us all that Bush cares,
that he's horrified, and shocked, they're doing their best to rehabilitate
this wicked man in the minds of Americans, but it won't work the media's
time is nearly at hand. Lastly, I strongly encourage the reader to become
immediately suspicious of any story they see or hear in the media that is
prefaced with the word shocked, no matter who or where it is coming from,
because this word has been so overused and abused, that it's real purpose is
now more than apparent, to manipulate and persuade.

At the very moment I'm posting this [April 16, 2007 @ 1519], Fox News is
interviewing a student named Kelly that saw with her own eyes an Asian man
being detained by police. After she said that, Neil Cavuto immediately
interjected and stated that police are reporting that there was only one
shooter and he was killed. So you see, the story is already unraveling.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/columbineeight.php

http://www.rsu.edu/library/Guides/Go...#_ftn2%23_ftn2

http://www.reason.com/news/show/28582.html

i wouldnt mind if the culture had more fistfights and less gunfights.

Doesn't Canada have a higher per capita gun ownership, but a fraction of the gun violence of the US?

might be... check...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Canada

It's only news for a couple of weeks and then it's back to the war in Iraq and the NHS crisis. Until another one of these nutters strikes again.

See if someone set fire to my house theres a chance i could escape, its not an efficient way of killing someone, and many things could go wrong, i could be out, be near a door, the fire might not set.
Shooting someone however is a little less uncertain in its outcome.

the point being that lots of people having guns means its easier for someone to be killed as a result of someone reasonable losing their cool.

But your point about the culture being the real problem is of course 100% correct, i take that as a given. I havent been to america so im in no position to judge the culture from anything other than an outsider position.

see the problem with this is that people get pissed off and do stupid things. if you get pissed off and you sock someone on the mouth, well, at the most you knock a couple of teeth. if you get pissed off with a gun, you end up with a humpty dumpty situation.

now people do the same with cars-- a lot of accidents are attributable to anger & violent tendencies. which sucks. but with cars you need to get training, a license, etc-- and still people drive like a bunch of assholes.

with guns, i've heard it say that only those who are thoroughly trained in their use should be allowed to touch them. but any asshole can buy a gun.

i have a story about an asshole ex-friend of mine. he tried to extort a free fuck from a whore that turned out to be a tranny-- true story! because his dad had was a cop & had a gun. so the asshole stole the gun, got drunk, and behaved like the biggest twat in history. he almost killed the tranny/ho except that (i swear im not making this up) i jumped & pushed his arm when he was pulling the trigger.

so i dont like guns because they often fall in the hands of stupid fucking irresponsible jackasses with mental problems. and that includes cops.

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me either. I personally HATE guns. But I feel the right to own a killing weapon is part of life.

At Hanover High School in Mechanicsburg, VA, some student made a T-shirt by printing
"Cho Seung-Hiu
(a picture pinned to the shirt)
National Hero"
and then he put it on in class.

I just saw it on the local news.

nobody said the kids were wise!
I am all for free speech but just cuz you can say t does not mean there will not be repercussions. Like the kid who held up a large sign reading "Bong Hits for Jesus when the president visited his high school. hilarious, but you KNOW you are gonna get in trouble for that one!

That sounds like an opinion thats unlikely to change, but i have to say that a society in which people think that way is barbaric and animal in my eyes.
I feel i should say gun = invented for killing and nothing else is the main thrust of my feeling here.

I just read online that there is a teacher who connected a photograph of the student holding a hammer and the movie "Oldboy", and of course at least in this article they're running with it. So once again we're going to hear all these stories of film/television insipres violence, from all these self-righteous idiots. How about focusing the responsiblity on the individual who commited the acts instead of always looking for a scapgoat within popular culture?

the right to BEAR arms. i saw that one.

This is a good question. To the first point, let me note that yeah a .38 doesn't stand a chance against an apache mounted VulcanMinigun. So tactically you wouldn't fight like that. but don't forget that there's like 10,000 of us for every govt equipped & trained killer. Personally I'd like one of those sniper rifles with an onboard computer that adjusts for wind and rotation of the earth.

Yeah, it's a right that's protected under the Bill of Rights. It's #2. Free Speech, as we know, is #1. But, what's as obvious as the sun in the sky is that these rights are only afforded to those that utilize the rights responsibly, and, in the case of gun ownership, according to the proper protocols. It should already be clear that the right to bear arms under the Second Amendment is merely a potential privilege and not an inherent right. This is already recognized by the various differing regulations in place regarding gun ownership.
Not everyone that plans to purchase a gun can get one.

Do you think the parents of the Hanover High teen that printed
on a white T-shirt in black majik marker just told their son that it was
all right what he did and that they respect his free speech?

So, therefore, what we find is the reality that these rights are really part of a trust between the individual and the state to exercise the rights responsibly and without infringing on the rights of others.

Therefore, Rob, Mr. Instigator, a debate over all the aspects of gun control is relevant to this discussion.
Whereas, your point over and over again, Rob, is that there is no room for debate on the matter, and that the issue has been already decided and set into stone.

huh?

I have stated nothing with finality as regards this discussion, just how I feel about the issue of gun ownership The constitution of the USA is the FINALITY, until the time someone decides to change it.

guns are built for killing. That is their sole purpose. to defend one's home and family, a weapon of some sort is needed. Now, do you want to defend your home against a violent criminal with a gun or with a hand held club?

read what I posted before. Violent crime rate in the USA is at a low low point in our history. crime is lower here than in the UK by a LOT actually. the one thing the USA leads the world in is homicides and suicides. both of these are societal issues, not solvable by the removal of a specific weapon.

HUH? I'm in TEXazz

HUH?
what?

i'LL cite some statistics

What a bizarre and patently untrue thing to say.

This is the most sensible sentence you've written the whole thread.

Good job on those body punches, the ikara cult!

Post of the thread as far as I'm concerned.

I was going to add my thoughts to this, but there's no need.

Does anyone think that he parents of the Hanover High teen that printed
on a white T-shirt in black majik marker just told their son that it was
all right what he did and that they respect his right to free speech?

What we find is the reality that these "rights" are really part of a trust between the individual and the state to exercise the rights responsibly and without infringing on the rights of others.

so you sayin in the u.s. you don't get mugged, you just get killed?

kinda funny-- i'd rather part with my wallet than with my fine & priceless body.

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and again-- the 2nd amendment does not speak of the rights of an individual to have firearms for self defense.

it speaks of the right of "the people" to keep and bear arms for a well-organized state militia-- meant to balance the power of the federal army.

reading it differently is hystorical myopia.

I think that 2nd amendment is no good for todays society. America needs stricter Gun control otherwise things like this terrible event will keep on happening with us all wondering how and why.

go back and read thje article i posted earlier which details the high crime rate in the UK as opposed to the USA. the USA lead s the UK in HOMICIDE anD SUICIDE only.

if honest legal citizens did not have guns things like this massacre will still happen, and maybe even MORE so.

sad day where I agree vehemently with ted nugent but, this is what he wrote for CNN today. read it with an open mind.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/com...ent/index.html

Zero tolerance, huh? Gun-free zones, huh? Try this on for size: Columbine gun-free zone, New York City pizza shop gun-free zone, Luby's Cafeteria gun-free zone, Amish school in Pennsylvania gun-free zone and now Virginia Tech gun-free zone.
Anybody see what the evil Brady Campaign and other anti-gun cults have created? I personally have zero tolerance for evil and denial. And America had best wake up real fast that the brain-dead celebration of unarmed helplessness will get you killed every time, and I've about had enough of it.
Nearly a decade ago, a Springfield, Oregon, high schooler, a hunter familiar with firearms, was able to bring an unfolding rampage to an abrupt end when he identified a gunman attempting to reload his .22-caliber rifle, made the tactical decision to make a move and tackled the shooter.
A few years back, an assistant principal at Pearl High School in Mississippi, which was a gun-free zone, retrieved his legally owned Colt .45 from his car and stopped a Columbine wannabe from continuing his massacre at another school after he had killed two and wounded more at Pearl.
At an eighth-grade school dance in Pennsylvania, a boy fatally shot a teacher and wounded two students before the owner of the dance hall brought the killing to a halt with his own gun.
More recently, just a few miles up the road from Virginia Tech, two law school students ran to fetch their legally owned firearm to stop a madman from slaughtering anybody and everybody he pleased. These brave, average, armed citizens neutralized him pronto.
My hero, Dr. Suzanne Gratia Hupp, was not allowed by Texas law to carry her handgun into Luby's Cafeteria that fateful day in 1991, when due to bureaucrat-forced unarmed helplessness she could do nothing to stop satanic George Hennard from killing 23 people and wounding more than 20 others before he shot himself. Hupp was unarmed for no other reason than denial-ridden "feel good" politics.
She has since led the charge for concealed weapon upgrade in Texas, where we can now stop evil. Yet, there are still the mindless puppets of the Brady Campaign and other anti-gun organizations insisting on continuing the gun-free zone insanity by which innocents are forced into unarmed helplessness. Shame on them. Shame on America. Shame on the anti-gunners all.
No one was foolish enough to debate Ryder truck regulations or ammonia nitrate restrictions or a "cult of agriculture fertilizer" following the unabashed evil of Timothy McVeigh's heinous crime against America on that fateful day in Oklahoma City. No one faulted kitchen utensils or other hardware of choice after Jeffrey Dahmer was caught drugging, mutilating, raping, murdering and cannibalizing his victims. Nobody wanted "steak knife control" as they autopsied the dead nurses in Chicago, Illinois, as Richard Speck went on trial for mass murder.
Evil is as evil does, and laws disarming guaranteed victims make evil people very, very happy. Shame on us.
Already spineless gun control advocates are squawking like chickens with their tiny-brained heads chopped off, making political hay over this most recent, devastating Virginia Tech massacre, when in fact it is their own forced gun-free zone policy that enabled the unchallenged methodical murder of 32 people.
Thirty-two people dead on a U.S. college campus pursuing their American Dream, mowed-down over an extended period of time by a lone, non-American gunman in illegal possession of a firearm on campus in defiance of a zero-tolerance gun law. Feel better yet? Didn't think so.
Who doesn't get this? Who has the audacity to demand unarmed helplessness? Who likes dead good guys?
I'll tell you who. People who tramp on the Second Amendment, that's who. People who refuse to accept the self-evident truth that free people have the God-given right to keep and bear arms, to defend themselves and their loved ones. People who are so desperate in their drive to control others, so mindless in their denial that they pretend access to gas causes arson, Ryder trucks and fertilizer cause terrorism, water causes drowning, forks and spoons cause obesity, dialing 911 will somehow save your life, and that their greedy clamoring to "feel good" is more important than admitting that armed citizens are much better equipped to stop evil than unarmed, helpless ones.

you know man it's funny you post this because my wife teaches at a university where there are incidents of domestic violence (boyfriend goes chasing the girlfriend walks into class beats her up-- really) and after this campus shit we've been talking about getting her some sort of self-defense weapon. i bought her a mace some time ago but she lost it. we've discussed guns, tazers & more.

i told her also the story of that appalachian school where some armed dudes disarmed a lunatic.

i am not opposed to people having guns for self-defense. i think it's a good idea. i'm against banning guns. however, i would license guns to people who
a) submit themselves to psychological testing (sure it can be fooled but it's better than nothing)
b) have no prior convictions of domestic violence
c) take a thorough weapons training course where they learn the rights and responsibilities of carrying firearms, and learn proper care & maintenance of their weapons.

i have NO problem with that.

where i have a problem is when any fucking asshole can walk into walmart and walk out with a pistol and ammunition. people with anger management issues. people who have substance abuse problems. people who are irresponsible and have no control of themselves. people who use guns to intimidate others. people with a big fucking chip on their shoulder. people who pull out a gun in traffic because you accidentally cut them off. wife-beaters. lunatics, like this cho asshole.

getting to drive a car is more difficult than packing a six shooter. that's just fucking wrong. if you get license, and training, i say get what you need for your self defense. but guns in the hands of unstable people and incompetents are more dangerous than anything.

again you conflate the 2nd amendment with the individual right to self defense. a lot of people do that, but they are 2 different things. 2 as in two as in dos as in a pair. i know a lot of people do that but it's not true. the "militia" preamble make things quite clear.

i don't believe any fucker has the "right" to go & own instruments of killing. he may have the right to free speech and habeas corpus and what not, but not this. he's not in a well-organized militia.

You have a well trained police force and you get the Move House, Kent State, Orangeburg State, Waco, etc etc...

Well said, by the Nuge. he mentions "the mindless puppets of the Brady Campaign and other anti-gun organizations insist"

I'm just reading some stuff on the attempt on Reagan. Do you know they didn't remove a bullet from his body but a thin, dime sized razor edged disc? That Ronnie's ambulance left the shooting first but arrived at the hospital AFTER Brady? And everyone looks at me in shock when I tell'm that Hinckley's dad was scheduled to have dinner with George Sr that night.

Strange Virginia Tech “Coincidences” As “News Commentary” on the Truthseeker website notes, Virginia Tech is an “active partner” with DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. In addition, the CIA actively recruits VT students, holding events the spook agency bills as “career information” sessions.
“News Commentary” claims “Blacksburg, VA houses a US government ABOVE TOP SECRET underground laboratory (in the side of a local Blacksburg mountain) that develops in conjunction with DARPA, weapons such as human robotic mind control programming.” A Google search, however, turns up no mention of mind control experiments, of course, but there is plenty of reference to the “Deep Underground Science and Engineering Laboratory… 7,000 feet under Butt Mountain” in Blacksburg.
Part of the AMADEUS Project (Advanced MAnipulation for DEep Underwater Sampling), funded by the European Commission (i.e., the executive body of the one-world European Union), the Deep Underground Science and Engineering Laboratory, according to The Pit Bulletin (the newsletter of the Department of Mining and Minerals Engineering at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University), is designed for “military needs, ranging from unique designs for underground sporting arenas to storing various types of waste materials…. the AMADEUS team feel that the expanding world population is creating a demand for additional types of underground construction.” As well, an “expanding world population” may call for the development of “perfect weapons” long sought by DARPA and the Pentagon, including avian influenza H5N1, an area of research at VT, according to Virginia Tech News (a Google reference points to a page that currently produces an SQL error). “If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels,” Prince Phillip.
Finally, a resume posted on the VT Computer Science Department website by Robert G. Ball notes grants awarded to the university by ARDA/DTO, short for Advanced Research and Development Activity, Disruptive Technology Office. “ARDA was created in 1998 after the model of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) by the Director of Central Intelligence and the Department of Defense, and took responsibility for funding some of DARPA’s projects,” explains Wikipedia. “There has been speculation that the DTO is continuing research efforts started under the Total Information Awareness program (TIA) in DARPA’s Information Awareness Office (IAO)…. Although ARDA’s budget is presumably classified as part of the intelligence budget, the New York Times quoted an unnamed former government official saying the agency spent about $100 million a year in 2003. The Associated Press reports that ARDA had a staff of only eight in 2004.” Early last year, I reported that DTO was to be run by John Negroponte (see my TIA “Disruptive Technology” Subverting Bill of Rights).
Of course, all of this secret and not so secret activity on the Virginia Tech campus and environs is not definitive evidence Cho Seung-Hui was a government produced mind-control assassin. However, it does indicate VT serves as a hub for experimental and prototype DoD technologies.
It is no secret the Pentagon has had a keen interest in electromagnetic weapons for some time. “Electronic mind-control research is not new,” CNN reported in 1985. “A scientific milestone in this area came in the 1960s when Dr. Jose Delgado demonstrated remote control over a charging bull.” Military affairs specialist Chuck DeCaro told CNN: a “scientist, who did not want his identity revealed … employed by the U.S. Government … has done secret RF weapons research. He believes that tests done with the [Soviet developed] Lida and similar machines prove that humans are susceptible to remote alterations of mood and awareness…. Certain kinds of weak electromagnetic signals work exactly like drugs, and so the promise is that anything you can do with drugs you could do with the right electromagnetic signal.” Dr. Robert Becker, a pioneer in the field of bioeffects of electromagnetism, added: “As far as I’m concerned, the potential that this has for producing a direct psychoactive effect upon the total American population is there, has never been disproven.”
The late professor Dr. Gerhard Beyer of Virginia Polytechnic Institute at Virginia Tech broke a significant part of the “magnetic code,” and no doubt this was of interest to DARPA and the Pentagon.

^^ ever heard of that peculiar writing structure called "the paragraph"? cmon man! add some spaces!!

it krakks me up when people talk about things that "haven't been disproven" thought

sure, fuck, the kracken hasn't been disproven. so hasn't zeus.

i was fearing the moment when this thread would go off the deep end. it has arrived.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=9647439

All 32 victims profiled. :(

Fuck Rob, this is such a stupid thing to (agree with) say. Seriously, I'm not American, but the second ammendment is fucking bullshit, so primal in its nature that it's scary. Ted Nugent is a fucking trigger-happy wacko, and he is so obviously using this atrocity as a ploy to talk about how people that don't love their guns are pussies. Access to guns does not necessarily mean someone's goign to shoot it, BUT IT MAKES IT A HELL OF A LOT MORE LIKELY, especially with people like this Cho fella holding them. Which is not to say that there is no other way of getting a gun, BUT ANYBODY CAN GET A GUN AT THE DROP OF A HAT. THAT IS SERIOUSLY FUCKING ABSURD.