those people make me sick with rage.

Funny thing is, NO ONE has anything to do with being born. National pride is totally lost on me.
I will feel no pride and carry no guilt for my race, gender or country of origin. They are a set of givens, and the advantages and disadvantages of those givens are what I live with.
Being born to whom you are born to in the country those people happen to live in is a funny thing to get worked up about.

i don't care a fig where people are from, it's the laying of claim to being something you aren't that irritates me.

When you live in a country of immigrants, geneaology brings this stuff to light. It's just heritage and history; very few people actually "lay claim" to being European, they just acknowledge where their ancestors are from. They will almost all still call themselves Americans.
This is a very young country.

well i was thinking particularly of the english people who suddenly have irish roots come st.patrick's day (i'm english and have no irish ancestry) when i said about the laying of claim, those people wind me up especially because it's only in recent years that there has been this trend of fashionable irishness.
it goes back to what you were saying about national pride, i don't really have any pride in being english, and so i find it utterly absurd when people take pride or celebrate a heritage that is either fictitious or increasingly tangential.
i suppose it might be interesting to know where your ancestors came from but i don't see the need to cling to it or make a song and dance of it. infact i would say do the exact opposite.
i guess people do all sorts of stuff to make their lives seem more interesting, but i reserve my right to be vexed by them.

I think we are on the same page here.
I think of myself as American, as I have had family here for many generations. I am neither proud nor ashamed, because I had nothing to do with it.
"Tangential" is a great word for what you are talking about.

This belt buckle describes me perfectly:

Those buckles look great with white sheets!

True, but it's hard to fuck a pig while wearing a sheet.

Just put 'em under there and you're good to go.

BRB

We'll see him again in approximately three minutes.

when you are eating out a pig, are you tempted to take a bite out of her?

that is the eternal question

This thread has taken a turn for the awesome.

I see you are going to white heaven Noumenal!

It seems to me that a southerner that keeps a confederate flag is like a German that still keeps a Swastika flag

Yeah, people who wave the southern flag are morons.