[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyid=2006 -04-22T002513Z_01_L21365906_RTRUKOC_0_US-BENJERRYS.xml

So it is OK for a popular drink to be named a Black and Tan. but not an icecream? I'm sure people have Black and Tans in Irish bars all the time and think nothing of it. But god forbid there be an ice cream with that name.

I have an irish heavy heritage by the way.

[Glice]

Meh. I think it's fair enough - it's only a slight exagerration to say that calling a new fizzy drink Nazi-ade would quite rightly get shot down in flames... Is this really so different?

[PunkerViolence]

Hahahah nazi-ade hehhehehe

[Iain]

What flavour would nazi-ade be exactly?

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

Why Nazi blood flavored of course!

Now, I think it is a bit different though.

If they made nazi-ade ice-cream, and Nazi-ade was already a widely excepted drink, what would the problem be?

And really, at a parlor or a bar, if you order a black and tan, you are eating or drinking black and tan. You are devouring it because you are more powerful and adding its spiritual strength to your own in a very cannibalistic and tribal sort of way. What Irish person wouldn't want to devour their old foes?

[holy-reverb!!]

its overpriced anyways.

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

Yeah, I haven't bought Ben and Jerry's since I stopped being on a meal plan. (college meal plans give you more money for their food than you will ever need, even the cheapest one!)

[Sheriff Rhys Chatham]

Ive found out recently that I have a pretty heavey irish herritage, along with german and italian. but I have never heard of the group before. It does seem like a pretty dumb idea to name an iceceam this though. Ive seen worse though.

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

I think my icecream company is going to make a flavor called white russian and market it to hardcore red communists.

[GeneticKiss]

Ooh, are you gonna put alcohol it in?

That's what they should have...ice cream with alcohol it in...maybe not beer-flavored popsicles, but ice cream with alcohol in it.

[Proud Marie]

you cant make ice cream w/ alcohol because of its low freezing point. atleast i think, im just geussing. some people are way to sensitive, and the people that get offended are neither black nor tan, just uptight white folks

[Glice]

But still, the Irish are especially sensitive about this kind of thing... bear in mind that, unlike a lot of places, this is a case of a history which is still affecting a lot of Irish people. You can understand people on the borders or in Belfast being a little pissed-off at something which is still a part of a history which is still going on, if that makes any sense. Again, ridiculous example, but imagine Aushwitz-burgers or something like that... I can completely understand people taking offence.

[sonicl]

Originally Posted by Proud Marie

you cant make ice cream w/ alcohol because of its low freezing point. atleast i think, im just geussing.

You can make ice cream with alcoholic drinks, but you have to boil the drink first to burn off the alcohol so that it will freeze. I keep meaning to get round to making gin and tonic sorbet.

[SecretGirl13]

Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyid=2006 -04-22T002513Z_01_L21365906_RTRUKOC_0_US-BENJERRYS.xml

So it is OK for a popular drink to be named a Black and Tan. but not an icecream? I'm sure people have Black and Tans in Irish bars all the time and think nothing of it. But god forbid there be an ice cream with that name.

I have an irish heavy heritage by the way.

Not to rain on your parade, but actually you'd be hard-pressed to find black and tan in an Irish bar. People aren't overreacting-- and I'm sure as someone with "irish heavy heritage," you know that anything that reminds the Irish of hundreds of years of British occupation and oppression is a bit of a touchy subject. Enough of one that people die over it. Violent militias may be funny to you, but they aren't so cute on an island that is still very much feeling the aftermath of independence and still has enough bombs being found (after "disarming") to blow the whole place to the bottom of the atlantic.

[Glice]

The above is simply and clearly what I've been floundering to say. Kudos.

[jon boy]

i think that there are a lot of oversensetive people in the world. there are a hell of a lot on this board and i am not that into it. although i am a sensetive person by nature and i cant stand blunt, arrogant and pompous people i think that there are people who take things too far.

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

Originally Posted by SecretGirl13

Not to rain on your parade, but actually you'd be hard-pressed to find black and tan in an Irish bar. People aren't overreacting-- and I'm sure as someone with "irish heavy heritage," you know that anything that reminds the Irish of hundreds of years of British occupation and oppression is a bit of a touchy subject. Enough of one that people die over it. Violent militias may be funny to you, but they aren't so cute on an island that is still very much feeling the aftermath of independence and still has enough bombs being found (after "disarming") to blow the whole place to the bottom of the atlantic.

So why don't you go to every bar that serves a "Black and Tan" and piss in the bartenders face?

Seriously, it is like crucifying David Bowie for referring to Chinese swastikas in China Girl.

No need to take everything so seriously.

Being sensitive over fucking ice cream is why there are still problems in the world.

[Glice]

Look, seriously, there are a lot of Republicans out there who would see this as exactly the same thing as a product referring to Aushwitz. This is a big deal for a lot of people, I think it's very dismissive to suggest that this is not as big a deal as it seems. I have never heard of this black and tans drink, what the hell is it? Do you think the fact that I live in a country that is very close to Ireland and has as its biggest immigrant population Irish people has anything to do with it?

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

A black and Tan is a drink made popular in the British isles in the late 19th century. You pour a lighter "tan" beer in the bottom half of the glass, and a darker one in the top. Typically made with something like Bass and Guiness. The Black and Tans were a paramilitary force in the Irish war for independence, several decades later.

 

How many people got upset when Sin City the movie came out? I know it is a backwards swastika, but nazism does come to mind.

And how does recent history make any terrible deed less apauling? If you are upset about Black and Tan ice-cream, this should upset you too.

 

Unless you only care about tragedy in recent history relating to your nationality.

[Toilet & Bowels]

nothing winds me up more than americans who lay some claim to be european. americans are so different to europeans that you may as well be fucking martians. and as for the swatika in sin city, firstly that character was a ruthless assassin (i.e. evil) secondly the swastika is an ancient religious symbol in many asian countries. for example, if you look at a street map of a japanese city there are all these little back to front swastikas (or as they are called in japanese, "Manji") that represent shrines and temples, not nazi HQs. so it's very possible that the sin city character and bowie were both refering to the ancient symbol, not the nazi one.