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a very powerfull one. |
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What's wrong with the humble fishing rod? |
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At the risk of sounding pedantic, banning guns will not stop people from dying. Everyone dies. Banning guns would allow more people to live for longer, and would cut down the need for so many prisons. I wonder how much 'money/taxes' those killed by guns could have contributed to the American economy had they lived. Do you think it would be more or less than the amount of 'money/taxes' raised through the sale of guns. I'm pretty sure that it would be considerably more. So it makes economic sense to bring in gun control as well. I'm not going to comment on this any more - you all know my thoughts on the subject and you can either agree or disagree as you see fit. I hope that something changes before the next massacre, but I don't hold out much hope. |
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^ now that's a fucking idiot post... |
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I apologise if I gave the impression that I thought you were a 'hick'. That was never my intention. |
my thoughts are the same as floyra's.
sway just wants to argue for the sake of it i think. |
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The most important post in this thread! This post inadvertantly summarises the whole issue perfectly. There is a genuine belief in large parts of America, that what stops criminal activity is the threat of death (hence the seemingly baffling refusal to abolish the death penalty), and it's exactly that attitude which means that gun culture will continue to exist. The reason most people don't commit crimes (alpha male or not) has more to do with morality than the threat of punishment. |
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Anyway, i'm terrified of guns and i wouldn't want to have one. But to just come up with ' another reason to ban guns' sort of statements whenever this sort of thing happens is plain laziness and and kills off what could be an interesting discussion, rather than making it flourish. I'm 100% sure that guns won't be banned after what happened, as sad as yesterday's happenings are. The society we live in is a capitalist one, therefore things like this happen and will happen again and gain. Either accept that, or else you are believing a lie, the lie that tells you that your opinion or mine count that much when it comes to decision-making.
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so what is a good reason to say another reason to ban guns? |
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On that point we agree. |
Guns will never be banned in America, at least not in the forseeable future. You're talking about a country who's bread and butter are violence and exploitation. Banning guns in the US would be like banning beer in Belgium.
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sure cigarettes alcohol and all that can kill... ever used on a massacre? we cant ban airplanes, cars etc... we need them... do you need guns? what for? |
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they sell war guns to the common citizen... for what the fuck do they need a war gun?
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massacre is a mass murder not mass dead. |
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yes see your point but it is a catalyst i suppose. anyway i have explained my point of view on this now so i will let other people have their say. |
i dont even know what gun this fuckhead used... let's say it was a handgun. imagine how many he could have killed with one t of these war guns they sell in his hands...
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jesus this is like the largest growing thread on this board.
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that's why bombs are banned. |
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Making rape illegal hasn't stopped it from happening, but does that mean we should just give up and legalise it? It's all about improving problems, not necessarily solving them. |
Please don't let this turn into the "Fight against Terror" crap!
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If this thread ever looks like it's going to go somewhere, could someone let me know. Thanks.
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they didnt stop... but it sure helped... lol... you'll never stop things like this from happening!... the point is how can you help reduce the number of times that things like this happen... |
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none whatsoever. |
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Don't be so sure. :D |
So killings of a number of people are acceptable, so long as it doesn't happen too often?
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A more serious issue is the blatant culture of violence (look at many a movie etc for proof) that is certainly highly visible in the output of the States when it comes to entertainment. Not saying that it happens only in the States, but it's certainly a much more widespread practice to portray violence in a glamorous way in the States, more than anywhere else. Take a movie like the Fight Club: stylish and all that, but it certainly doesn't say anything more than being violent and negative is the only way someone can prove themselves. A disclaimer: I'm not saying there that one has to be a pacifist either. If it comes down to defending yourself phisically, the only option would remain a violent one. |
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are you happy with numbers? ok then. have fun. --/-- school massacre is an incident of violence at a school involving at least one actual death. |
I don't think that the USA has a greater tendency towards making films with violence in them than other nations, just a greater tendency towatds making films full stop. The "World Cinema" section of your local DVD store has plenty of violent films, possibly proportionately more than the rest of the store.
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That's like, 600 countries combined into the same section against a giant movie industry run by one single country.
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Lack of respect for the value of human life seems to be pretty commonplace. Fourteen year old kids stabbing thirteen year olds, people killing a pensioner for the sake of stealing a pitiful amount of cash. The pertinent question would seem to be, how can people be taught to respect the value of another life?
EDIT - I think I've just echoed Nefeli there, haven't I? |
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I agree, the ikara cult. All your posts in this thread are very sensible. And during a domestic dispute, as early reports allege this shooting sprang from, having a gun on hand increases the likelihood of someone getting seriously injured or killed. It seems in this case, the male student killed a female friend and then resigned himself to die after that, insanely motivated to take others with him. Many here should be familiar with the statistics that if you own a handgun that you are likely to shoot someone you know in a dispute or have your own self killed by it. |
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How many movies do you watch in a year? |
I think after watching the news last night, I've capitulated a bit.
although I still maintain that I do not believe that it will actually stop violence, I would not be opposed to extremely strict regulations on gun ownership. like I said, I never planned on owning a gun so this really wouldn't effect me in any way that I can sense. although I feel like I would be giving up my convictions due to media attention, this horrific shit has to stop. or we could just say fuck all and turn Los Angeles into a penal colony. surely the threat of going to LA would be enough to stop most of this. |
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Imagine the massacre, if Bollywood started making gun crazy musicals.
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