thankyou.

thats one of the things i like about other european countries is that the youth do have some respect and values and dont spend so much time infront of the tv or playing video games.

They would have better soundtracks for sure. Kids do watch a lot of movies and play a lot of video games etc. Nothing wrong with that, but it's undeniable that a lot of entertainment is about violence and death, cartoons included. It doesn't take that much for a kid with a predisposition to say, depression, drug, alcohol etc to take 'some' inspiration from that. Not blaming only entertainment for killing sprees either. That is just the peak of the iceberg.

Edit- Tokolosh

Really?

That's because we spend 24 hours a day posting on messageboards.

yeah I guess when you europeans set up the rape camps in bosnia that was you europeans being respectful.

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Ironic therefore it is that Virginia is a concealed carry state and yet Virginia Tech campus recently enforced a policy prohibiting "unauthorized possession, storage or control" of firearms on campus. According to gun rights activists such as Aaron Zelman of Jews For The Preservation of Firearms, VA Tech has "blood on its hands" for disarming the victims who could potentially have defended themselves against the killer.
Initial reports suggested there were two shooters, but the story quickly changed to just one shooter who later killed himself (as happens in almost all these cases) or was shot by police.

I read recently that the Dutch youth are amongst the worst in Europe, when it comes to being disrespectful.
When was the last time you gave your seat to an elderly person on a bus?

England

yeah

Right, this is descending into bullshit now. Bye.

for me, a guy gunning a couple of folks down is a massacre... but anyway...

the word massacre is often used to describe school shootings and that's the meaning that i intended..... asdkp

well we all know about the dutch dont we.

LOL. Sarramkrop throws a glass in a bar then turns to his friend and says, "hey, this place is getting rowdy, lets go."

Really? Where did you think I was from?

It could trigger something off in certain peoples minds, sure,... but taking away all things to do with violence and replacing them with gummie bears, would be a lie.

Wow, that's sort of interesting? Why did you think that?

Well, the reason it's weird is that yes, I have a good friend from Ohio and have spent some time there.

I'm curious as to how a person from the mid-west would present themselves. This is seriously fascinating.

That's below the belt.

Oh this is funny. Now I really wanna know.

Did i say that? No. But you can't deny that a lot of movies are filled with tons of unnecessary violence + the whole fucking small war on terrorism seems more and more violent propaganda to scare the shit off people. Nefeli pointed out, rightly, that there is also an issue of education.

If a guy who's already been shooting and killing people pointed a little .22 at me, I will kill them with my bare hands, my teeth, or their own weapons and die trying if I have to. I wasn't there in that situation, so admittedly, my exposition is a bit ridiculous, but I still can't help but think that people should have rushed this guy at the right time. It only takes a couple of seconds, but he's got to reload that 9mm every so often. I imagine he used the .22 in his left as he also held the clips in his left hand feeding the 9 mm in his right hand. At times, I imagine the .22 didn't even have but a small caliber bullet or two in it.

Look at the hijacks on 9/11. A bunch of teenagers and really young brainwashees hijacked all those planes with nothing but box cutters and small knives. Because they had a will to do it. Because their heads were more focused than the frightened pasengers.

People are too concerned with saving their own hides and often lose their lives due to their own fear just as much as they save them.
The disorganized and feeble police response underscores this fact. It's supposed to be their job to "protect and serve" and to respond in a cool, calculated, and decisive manner when tragedies like this unfold. If lives are being lost as a massacre is in progress, then it is the police officers' job to stop it, even if it means endangering and possibly sacrificing their own lives if necessary. That goes for any officer of the law, not only the SWAT team.

Don't get me wrong. I also disagree with all the violence that we get fed day in and day out.
It's a reflection of our times, I suppose. It's also easier to get access to graphic images of violence nowadays.

Ps: Nefeli's always right. :)

One thing that is apparent in our culture is certainly the lack of wanting to fight back. And by this i don't mean painting your face green and jumping up and down on the street like an idiot, but proper 'give back what's mine' sort of fighting. For all the violence that we are fed, we have mostly become wimps, easily scared by what we are told is true, when in fact it isn't.

We've been numbed by the violence, so to speak. Overkill.
Wusses is what we've become. No backbone.

this is exactly what makes me worry. not that I disbelieve that all this shit happened, but I don't think the government is above orchestrating events toward their own ends (and what benefits the government rarely benefits me).

how much of what we see and hear is designed to turn us into sheep?

There's definitely an agenda to keep people scared. That's for sure.

culture of fear. distrust thiose that are different. hate the new, the status quo is all that matters, keep things from changing. change is bad. change is evil, even.

that is what the peopel who are currently rich and powerful want the 90% of us who are NOT rich nor powerful to think. it makes us easier to control. never questioning anything. never asking why. never confronting thsoe that feed us this bullshit.

"Airstrip One is always at war with Eurasia"
"Airstrip One has never been at war with Eurasia"

Back on topic: According to the news here, the guy responsible for the massacre was yet another jilted loser with a grudge. Jesus wept...

Aah, so clearly people who are in love should not be allowed to have guns.

More like obsessed if you ask me. ;)

Love in its early stages pretty much is obsession, isn't it?

(Note - I was briefly inspired by that thought to start a thread "Is love a mental illness?", but decided to save it for another day)

Gives me time to think about it. Thanks.

Civilization is social order promoting cultural creation. Four elements constitute it: economic provision, political organization, moral traditions and the pursuit of knowledge and the arts. It begins where chaos and insecurity end. For when fear is overcome, curiosity and constructiveness are free, and man passes by natural impulse towards the understanding and embellishment of life.
- Will Durant

so the killer has been identified. turns out he had a history of mental illness which included depression, stalking women and disturbing violent fantasies and had been in counselling. when he bought his guns no background check was done.

Yes, it's a tragedy but does it really surprise anyone? Who is even phased by school shootings. They're too common. Boring. These kids need to step up their game. Give me something unique.

How about this?

During whatever waiting period to get a firearm, one must sign over their search and seizure rights.

The police could search the property of those waiting to get firearms at their discretion, or maybe just at random.

Just going by prior arrest or mental health history, or giving psychological questionaires are not doing the screening process justice and isn't getting the job done.

So, if Johnny goes to the pawn shop for a gun and the cops search his property and turn up a deck of serial killer training cards or he has a nazi flag or something, then Johnny's request to own a gun is obviously turned down.

People will say that violates the right to bear arms shit. They'll say "nazis can have guns too!"

granted, sometimes drastic measures are called for, but I can't believe you're advocating that!

sure you could say "don't like it, don't buy a gun", but I insist that won't stop the wrong types of people from getting black market weapons. the street value will simply go up.

If just one of those students or teachers had been carrying the event might have been nipped in the bud.

"one must sign over their search and seizure rights"
you think the cops are going to protect you? Look behind a tree or a vehicle, thats where you'll find the cops.

Yeah probably, tesla 69... like the guy in the shopping mall in Wyoming (was it?) that took out that teen with a duffel bag full of ammo after he killed a few innocent people.

People really need to live their own lives. It was a horrible incident, but watching the news about it for two weeks nonstop and talking about it nonstop like everyone is doing will only make you more upset and ultimately, you'll care even less about what happened.

It happened, it was horrible, happened right as I was in the middle of reading " Dune Messiah " too. But I still finished it, and greatly enjoyed it. I'm still happy it's gonna finally warm up this weekend in the North East, and I still enjoyed hanging out with my friends today. And it's feels so good to know there is nothing wrong with that. Whatever happened to looking on the bright side?