[SuperCreep]

Originally Posted by automatic bzooty

i love the look of 2001, but the majority of the film itself is... so boring. so fucking boring.

mostly this for me. it took me 3-4 sittings to get through.

[noisereductions]

Joe I'm maybe confused. I thought Phenomenon and Creepers were the same thing???

I had Creepers on DVD.

[Dr. Eugene Felikson]

Creepers is a neutered cut of Phenomena. Give the real deal a shot, perhaps you'll appreciate it more.

[Skuj]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

the first time i saw la dolce vita i came home drunk at 3am and wanted something to eat and on the kitchen tv (i was still living w/ my parents) there was this crazy-ass scene of a dude, his dad, and some hookers that got my attention, and i was "what the fuck is this"? and watched till the end. it was la dolce vita. i must have been 18 or 19.

since then i've seen that movie maybe 10 times, it's my favorite movie ever.

maybe this doesn't make sense to you in a world of tmz and perez hilton, but back in the post-war era the world was changing, in many ways for the worse.

la dolce vita is not about dreamlike beauty, it's about the progressive degradation of an artist when he fails to find answers in his work, in god, in philosophy, in his own family, in women, in art, and gives up writing his promising novel altogether to end up being a publicist for hire who doesn't give a shit about anything and jumps from one meaningless orgy to another. i qualify this with "meaningless" because there are good ones--but i digress.

when you watch it again (if you watch it again), first make sure you have a proper screen and the right aspect ratio (many old versions were chopped off to fit TVs); then pay attention to the "parts" that the movie is divided into-- because of its episodic nature, the film works like a novel (most movies work like a short story with one main plotline). there are lots of symbolic elements in the thing, i.e., the girl at the beach resort that he sees again at the end (but can't hear this time); his friend steiner the intellectual whom he runs into (significantly) a church--and what happens to him later; the fucking helicopter jesus for fucks sakes! and all of this comes together in a way that works like an essay, not a straighforward manifesto but a meandering exposition of the life of an artist progressively lost to what's worst in the XX century (in the XXI century it's not "worse" because there is little to compare, it's just the universe in which we live, or-- there's worse even-- like 2 girls 1 cup).

anyway, check it out again before you throw away your film dreams and end up making gangbang porn in some lost hovel of the san fernando valley (then again, this might be your dream, so i don't know).

You have my confidence.

[Skuj]

Originally Posted by automatic bzooty

i love the look of 2001, but the majority of the film itself is... so boring. so fucking boring.

It pains me when films that really take their time with action, movement, dialogue, plot etc, = boredom in the minds of so many. Kubrik explored the vast emptiness of space, and of Man's so-called achievements, and imho, every second of 2001 is masterfully paced.

I cannot say much more about La Dolce Vita than has been said by, er, @#$%^& (or something like that) above. It is somewhat plotless....we are simply witness to a man's empty life over 7 days and nights. It never fails to engage me. I think the ending is the most powerful of any film I ever saw. That girl looks right at us at the very last second....we the audience....as if to ask how our lives are, are we just gonna walk out of the cinema now like Marcello walked away? Hopeless and empty? (This thread tells me that some did, hahaha...ok that's a bit harsh.)

[atsonicpark]

Man... 2001 is an absolute masterpiece.

Originally Posted by noisereductions

Joe I'm maybe confused. I thought Phenomenon and Creepers were the same thing???

I had Creepers on DVD.

As I explained in my post, Creepers is Phenomena with 40-45 minutes cut. I've seen both versions, and Creepers is a lot tighter and easier to watch.

[atsonicpark]

Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson

Pauly Shore Is Dead
Trash Humpers

PAULY SHORE IS DEAD -- you're right. That takes the cake. Easily the worst film I've ever seen. boring as hell too. You know what? so many people have asked me the worst film ever made on various boards, and in real life, and I never mention that film. I guess I blocked it from my memory. But now that I'm thinking about it, you're right, I truly cannot think of a worse film.

I didn't find Trash Humpers THAT boring, just stupid. It just felt like a wannabe Giuseppe film. It was only like an hour long... it was trying my patience by the end. It was definitely a waste of time, wasn't it?

And damn AC, I didn't know Schramm was by the same guy who did the Nekromantik films! I was actually planning on watching it tonight. I'm super pumped now.

Absolutely.. I HIGHLY reccomend you watch Schramm if you have any interest in artful horror films. It blows away just about any horror film ever, in my mind, except for MANIAC and GATES OF HELL. Have you seen Der Todesking? One of the few films to make me genuinely sick to my stomach.

But the most "Art horror" film I've seen is SUBCONSCIOUS CRUELTY. If you want to be made physically ill -- but be inspired as hell by the end -- check out that BRILLIANT film asap. It disturbed the hell out of me, seriously... But I LOVED it.

[noisereductions]

adam, why you didn' respond to my response of yr response?