[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead

The philosophy and psychology in any Batman movie is pretty kindergarten level, even Ledger's Joker's nihilism.

I watched The Dark Knight again this morning and I ultimately have to agree. I'd still say that its lack of depth has more to do with it being a blockbuster than anything to do with its subject matter, but I did find, this time around, that apart from a couple of scenes, it was all a bit juvenile, and especially in the case of Ledger's Joker. He's an undoubtedly charismatic movie villain but not a particularly interesting one.

And you're dead on about the real stand out in all of the films being the soundtrack and the cinematography.

[demonrail666]

Just out of interest, given the inevitability that someones gonna carry the batman franchise on, which director would you like to see take over after Nolan?

[h8kurdt]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

Just out of interest, given the inevitability that someones gonna carry the batman franchise on, which director would you like to see take over after Nolan?

McG obvs.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by foreverasskiss

i don't want to talk about it no more. i'm not going to do it. revenge on my part.

let us know how that whole thing works out

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Murmer99

 

 

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

Just out of interest, given the inevitability that someones gonna carry the batman franchise on, which director would you like to see take over after Nolan?

Takashi Miike

[Severian]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

Just out of interest, given the inevitability that someones gonna carry the batman franchise on, which director would you like to see take over after Nolan?

I have four directors in mind that will probably sound equally ridiculous:

Paul Thomas Anderson- For a high quality, ultra intense, deeply gritty Batman, more true to life than Nolan's (if that's possible)

Nicholas Winding Refn- for an ultra violent, heady, noir Batman

David Fincher- for more epic, 3 hour blockbusters that still come off as relatively good films. Possibly for a 1940s, heavily stylized Batman.

Ridley Scott- for a Justice League movie to rival Avenges. Blockbuster Batman that is bigger than life, and an overall film that is BIG but still meditative and serious.

Four totally different takes on the character.

A Better Question:

WHO DO YOU THINK COULD PLAY BATMAN/BRUCE WAYNE, NOW THAT BALE IS OUT? ??

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

Nicholas Winding Refn would be freaking cool.

Mads Mikkelson as Bruce Wayne!!!

[EVOLghost]

Originally Posted by Murmer99

 

 

Omg....yes. Gigi is my hero.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead

Nicholas Winding Refn would be freaking cool.

Mads Mikkelson as Bruce Wayne!!!

Refn would be great for a direct Frank Miller adaptation, like Dark Knight Returns. Just ridiculously violent, cerebral, and bloody as hell. A true R rated Batman.

[Rob Instigator]

Watched this again. Batman Rises has exciting stuff, but holy fuck the plot holes were insane. I got more pissed off this time than the last time I saw it. Bane is a bullshit villain. stupid fucking accent. stupid mask. The guy playing Bane probably had a voice like Mike Tyson. It is obvious that the people behind these movies never read any Batman shit as fans, as kids.

Having Ras Al Ghul's daughter Talia be "unmasked" then killed within ten minutes is such bullshit. what a shitty movie.
talia is a long running character in Batman. killing off characters is something the movies do because they think (know?) that people are stupid fucking sheep and have to see the bad guy die or else the good guy did not win.

How did batman put so much flammable stuff on the bridge to make the burbning bat signal? It must have wasted several days of his time. How did he fly back to US from the pit he escaped from? how did he have money?

stupid fucking movie. all flash and no substance. just as cheesy as the batman TV show, but with no sense of humor.

Fuck these stupid batman movies.

[Rob Instigator]

How did hanging from a rope heal Batman's broken back?

How did Batman swim back from 5+ miles out into the ocean after he ditched the batplane with the nuke attached? How did he survive the boiling cauldron of death he turned the ocean into?

How come a city of millions always looks deserted? stupid filmmakers. Batman has always been the thinking man's superhero. In these Nolan films batman does NO detective work. NONE. fucking horrible.

Thankfully, in ten years, no one will give a flying fuck.

[Rob Instigator]

I hate how Nolan rewrites Batman mythos to suit his stupid tearjerker crap. James Gordon arrived in Gotham shortly before Bruce wayne returned to Gotham and began creating himself as Batman, In the movies, howveer, even though commissioner gordon is like 10 years older than Bruce Wayne, somehow Gordon was there as first responder to the murder of the Wayne parents? and put a coat on batman? and batman tells everyone all the time that he is bruce wayne? he lets catwoman know. Bane knows. Talia knows. ras al ghul knows. the cop Robin knows. goddamn commissioner gordon now knows. NOT SECRET!

Fuck Nolan.

[Rob Instigator]

I HATE the stupid, pointless, fucking ignorant shit that is the rotating wheels on the Batcycle. How do the guns and attached electronics not get destroyed every time the full weight of the batcycle rolls across them? How come a cat burglar who doesn't even own a car know instantly how to drive an insane high tech piece of shit like that Batcycle? How does she know which buttos are for missiles and which buttons are for headlamps?

How many cops were killed? Gotham must have lost half their police force. the death benefits alone will bankrupt the city.

How does the city eat when for months there is no food being brought in?

How come in Nolan movies, (what a fucking shit filmmaker) the bad guys are always psychic, able to predict exactly what corner Batman will park in, or what direction batman will fly in from, etc? fucking shitty writing.

Frank Miller penned Year One and they animated that bad boy and it is fucking AWESOME. Makes the Nolan Batman movies look like the piece of ill-plotted shit they are,.

[Rob Instigator]

and why would selina kyle, who loves cats more than humans, leave her kitty kats behind?

[evollove]

I saw this maybe three months ago.

I really had to to push my memory to recall who the fuck Bane was.

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

Thankfully, in ten years, no one will give a flying fuck.

That is much too generous.

My least favorite part? When Bane has a gun on what's his face and Bane's about to pull the trigger. But he waits. Thinking about errands he has to run later, I guess.

[Rob Instigator]

I hated that stupid mask. I hated Bane in the comics and I hate him in the movies. Stupid character. what does that mask do? all they say is if he takes it off there is excruciating pain. does it help him breathe? how does he talk with it on? does it supply some sort of opiate? stupid.

Go watch the animate Year One though. It is very good. so is the animated Under The Red Hood. Good stuff.

also, I HATE that Nolan has the stupid gumption to assume Batman would quit, just cuz of a woman he talks to for maybe 15 minutes? (catwoman) and who repeatedly betrays him?

If that fucksmoker Nolan had actually read Batman he would know that in all reality Bruce Wayne is the MASK, and Batman is who he really is inside. am that it has been that way since forever. That whole "Batman is a symbol, anyone can be Batman" is a fucking LOAD OF SHIT that spits right in the face of everything batman stands for.

[Toilet & Bowels]

Yeah, the plot holes in that film are ridiculous, maybe the worst in any film I've ever seen

[demonrail666]

It's probably a film best enjoyed by people like myself who don't know much about the comic version. I didn't notice the plot holes but then I just take everything involving a superhero (which I appreciate Batman technically isn't) as plausible just because it's a superhero (even when it isn't).

[Rob Instigator]

hey 666, it is an entertaining enough spectacle, and full of "wow!" moments, but as a whole I found it unsatisfying.

Take the much lighter in tone Avengers. They made sure to stick as closely as possible to the actual personae these heroes built up in the comics. Captain America is a doo-gooder extraordinaire, concerned about the common man and injustice, and a man out of time, a man from a "simpler" time.
Iron Man/Tony Stark is an egotist, super smart, and knows it, and a playboy who unlike batman/Bruce Wayne, actually enjoys the playboy life and revels in it.
The Hulk/Bruce Banner is defined by alienation, by the inability to fit in anywhere due to the Jekyll and Hyde nature of his own being. the weakling Banner hates the destruction and horror his alterego causes but that alterego is not external, all that rage and pain and hate and aggression are IN Banner. he just never showed it, hid it.
Thor is a pompous ass. Always was, always is, as befits a god, and a favorite son of THE god (Odin). He sees humans as if they were creatures he needs to care for.
etc. The people who made the Avengers built the story around these traits, creating a self-consistent universe.

Nolan instead takes all the humor, all the life-affirmation, all the caring that batman/wayne has, and reduces it to a myth-symbol, like a christ messianic figure, which is so false. Batman was always the one human who because of hard work, smarts and tenacity, could go toe to toe with any superpowered being. None of this is shown in the Batman movies. Btaman would also always seek to limit the collateral damage that the Nolan movie batman seems to give two fucks about.