[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Ozzy

I never wanted to discuss this in a public forum but Bill’s statements left me no option to but to respond honestly.
Wow Bill,
What the fuck are you on about? I cannot apologize for comments or opinions I may have made about you in the press during Sabbath’s “13” album and tour– physically, you knew you were fucked. Tony, Geezer and myself didn’t think you could have done a two hour set with a drum solo every night, so we made the decision to move on. With Tony’s condition we felt that time was not on our side.
Bill, stop this smokescreen about an “unsignable contract” and let’s be honest. Deep down inside you knew you weren’t capable of doing the album and a 16 month tour. Unfortunately for you, our instincts were correct as you were in hospital several times during 2013. Your last hospitalization was for a shoulder surgery that you now say you’ve only just recovered from. This would have meant that our world tour would have been canceled. So how is all of this my fault? Stop playing the victim and be honest with yourself and our fans.
Bill, we go back a long way, let’s stop this now before it gets out of hand.
God bless you.
Love.
Ozzy

Hahaha.. the band totally fucked over Bill out of that record and his drumming is sorely missing from that bland metalhead drumwork on an otherwise decent Sabbath album..


BUT in regards to the tour, sorry Bill, the truth hurts. I love Ozzy since he stopped taking all those fucked up meds in the early 2000s, he has been able to be himself again. Unfortunately Bill Ward is also being himself, the curmudgeon

[Drjohnrock]

SuchFeudsAreMeaningless

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Drjohnrock

SuchFeudsAreMeaningless

Wait, is that directed at me, Ozzy, or Bill Ward??

[Drjohnrock]

Ozzy and Bill. The play on your user name was harmless fun.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Just checking we're pretty snarky here and I like you

[Rob Instigator]

$ talks and bullshit walks

[Severian]

I forgot that album existed the moment after I learned that it existed. Wasn't even aware of a world tour.

Which kinda makes me sad, because I used to really enjoy the first four Sabbath records. To me they were like Led Zeppelin, minus the illusion that what they were doing was somehow profound. Just good, clean, heavy-as-all-hell Rock music.

I'm glad I didn't listen to the album if it truly featured the kind of braindead metal drumming that you're talking about, SFAD. I think I know the kind... Is it that snare less, pop-and-thud bullshit championed by the Deftones, maintained by the Slipknots of the world... the only artifact of the rap-rock era to not suffer a bloody death at the end of that godawful era?

That drum sound is why I thank God in heaven for Deafheaven, the Body, Skull Defekts and the other next gen saviors of heavy music.

[rebeccagotcursedout]

the older I get the less I listen to Black Sabbath.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Hold up, you did realize im a sick deftones fan right?

[Severian]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Hold up, you did realize im a sick deftones fan right?

I'm sorry to hear you're not feeling well, and yes I was aware that you liked Deftones.

I don't hate them, especially their later stuff, but the drums make me want to crack skulls. Like the crap drumming on "Digital Bath," an otherwise VERY cool song that sounds like Disintigration-era Cure, Faith No More, Depeche Mode and Tool having a four-way with Trent Reznor watching, and adjusting the lights for mood... it's positively ruined by those snap-pop drums. Drums that sound like they were castrated of snare completely.

So, no disrespect, but I hate that shit.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Ouch, i love the drumwork on Digital Bath..

[rebeccagotcursedout]

it just ain't got that swing man.

[Severian]

Sounds like the drums are under water. Fuckin Linkin Park drums man.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Meh.. whatnis hilarious is i been randomly hearing the drums from Digital Bath all week and been tapping them on every desk and table im at

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Also i found your description of Digital Bath (drum work aside) as spot on, a very Trent Reznored Curish Tool sound, really that is a good description of white pony in general. Maynard is on the Passenger and Steph said about it, "shit it sounds like a tool song."

God i adore that record

[rebeccagotcursedout]

it's just ain't got that swing man.

Ward blew his wad all over Paranoid. own it in all formats and every other Sabbath record, just to get different feel of him hitting those skins. after that, he still killed esp. on Vol. 4.

don't know this deftones tool crap ya'll talking about.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Yes, you need to get Around the Fur or Adrenaline for that..

[Severian]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Yes, you need to get Around the Fur or Adrenaline for that..

Both of those albums have similarly balls drum sounds.

How can I describe it? It's not a *constant* thing with the band, but I stopped listening to them in the early 00's because it might as well have been. There are, admittedly, some songs on Around the Fur that have a more palatable, traditionally thrashy drum sound. But most of what the band released features drum sounds that would be completely at home on a Limp Bizkit album.

Limp Bizkit! I'm serious! Abe Cunningham is worshipped by fans, but I think a lot of engineers think the drums sound like shit.

It sounds SO stereotypically "pro-toolsy"... A lot of hard rock bands sounded like this at the time. Inorganic as hell. The snares are way too tight, the hits sound truncated. It's a very polished sound... like the 00's version of those "wet wet drums" of the 1980's hair metal bands.

Incubus (they still a band?) were big fans of that godawful tribal metal drumming too. I don't get the appeal.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

I love that tight snare yo, its my favorite part! That shit has a straight pop sound.

Sadly not only is Incubus still a band, they are going on tour with deftones!

[Severian]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

I love that tight snare yo, its my favorite part! That shit has a straight pop sound.

Sadly not only is Incubus still a band, they are going on tour with deftones!

Haha! See, that's another thing that always irked me about the Deftones: the company they kept.

I think they have a genuine talent for making brutally dark music, and for finding new ways to be "heavy." I think they may have had the creative ingenuity to be a band of Faith No More-like post-metal/Art-rock progeny, but instead they seemed content to simply be the least offensive members of the "Family Values" tree.

Disappointing.