[Tokolosh]

But still... you're saying that it's a contradiction to his way of thinking about the corrupt world that he hates so much. It's not like him, you say.
On the other hand, his contradictive actions could be seen as his madness too. He himself, is part of the thing he despises so much.
A self-fulfilling prophecy emerges.

[atari 2600]

Absolutely...Travis hates himself. Travis hates the corruption in the world, but he also hates the corruption in himself, he sees no way around it & he allows himself to wallow in it until he snaps. His time in the war has reduced him to an empty shell. But as soon as some light comes into his life, we're to believe that a war veteran cannot muster the willpower to realize that Betsy is not going to go for the movie house date in the porno theater? It's a flaw in an otherwise magnificently poignant and significant American film.

[Tokolosh]

It's possible. Don't forget that he looks surprised when she walks out and never wants to see him again. He can't quite figure out, what he's done wrong. He's not altogether there, if you know what I mean.

[Tokolosh]

Fuck off porkmarras!!!!!
If you want to neg rep me for what I've written in this thread, at least say why by posting something.

A CUNT is what you are!!!!!!

[atari 2600]

Originally Posted by Tokolosh

It's possible. Don't forget that he looks surprised when she walks out and never wants to see him again. He can't quite figure out, what he's done wrong. He's not altogether there, if you know what I mean.

That part had to be written-in that way to rationalize Travis' motivation and to attempt (a failed attempt) to have him not break character and yes, that's how the scene plays out in the film. He takes her "to a movie" and cannot understand why she's reacting that way.
That's what's being discussed.
I'd be interested to learn if the scene is actually in Paul Schrader's screenplay or whether it's purely a plot device by Scorsese to be more efficient with time.
Chances are though that it was a hole in the screenplay draft to begin with that they tried to fix by cooking up a possible way to get them together and then apart and it was one of many ideas they had floating around about how to get to the unrequited love madness to come. I think they settled on something they shouldn't have and that there were many ways have Betsy instantly know something was up with Travis and break it off and still tell the story.
In short, the inclusion of that scene smacks of laziness, and it's a flaw.

[porkmarras]

Originally Posted by Tokolosh

Fuck off porkmarras!!!!!
If you want to neg rep me for what I've written in this thread, at least say why by posting something.

A CUNT is what you are!!!!!!

Well,you said it.

[Tokolosh]

Originally Posted by atari 2600

That part had to be written-in that way to rationalize Travis' motivation and to attempt (a failed attempt) to have him not break character and yes, that's how the scene plays out in the film. He takes her "to a movie" and cannot understand why she's reacting that way.
That's what's being discussed.
I'd be interested to learn if the scene is actually in Paul Schrader's screenplay or whether it's purely a plot device by Scorcese to be more efficient with time.
Chances are though that it was a hole in the screenplay draft to begin with that they tried to fix by cooking up a possible way to get them together and then apart and it was one of many ideas they had floating around about how to get to the unrequited love madness to come. I think they settled on something they shouldn't have and that there were many ways have Betsy instantly know something was up with Travis and break it off and still tell the story.
In short, the inclusion of that scene smacks of laziness, and it's a flaw.

I'm not trying to be rude, but are those your assumptions or Scorsese's own words? I've never felt it had a hole in that scene. This discussion has forced me to go home, and watch it again tonight. All 110min of it. This time through atari's eyes. Not that it's a burden.






ps: No more mister nice guy porkmarras... Do you hear me!

[atari 2600]

...a "hole," a missing section, in the first draft of the screenplay that led to the scene being brainstormed into existence...


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You know, I think we should put some mountains here.
Otherwise, what are all the characters going to fall off of?
And what about stairs? Yodellayheehoo. Ooo-ooo coo-coo.
Here's a man who lives a life of danger.
Everywhere he goes he stays - a stranger.

[atsonicpark]

taxi driver is the best film ever made.

and travis bickle reminds me of lee ranaldo for some reason..

[blastscenealibi]

[quote=Blank Label]Somebody get in touch with the band and tell them they need to get with Martin Sorcese or however you say his name, and RE-DO the soundtrack and background music to Taxi Driver with Robert Deniro.

It's cool that you like the film and SY. But that's not a good idea you have.

[Marfloth]

This is the gayest topic ever. the only film i could KINDA thing of with music like sonic. is Eraserhead. by David Lynch

[Marfloth]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

taxi driver is the best film ever made.

and travis bickle reminds me of lee ranaldo for some reason..

You think Lee Ranaldo is like a vengeful psychopathic killer helping 12 year-old whores on the street??.


ARE YOU ON FUCKING CRACK.

[atari 2600]

Originally Posted by Marfloth

This is the gayest topic ever. the only film i could KINDA thing of with music like sonic. is Eraserhead. by David Lynch

Yeah.
and there's also the movies with a lot of Sonic Youth music hehe.
1991: The Year Punk Broke, Demonlover and Made in USA.
Of course their music has been featured in a number of other movies too.

[atsonicpark]

Yes.

[terminal pharmacy]

Originally Posted by atari 2600

Yeah.
and there's also the movies with a lot of Sonic Youth music hehe.
1991: The Year Punk Broke, Demonlover and Made in USA.
Of course their music has been featured in a number of other movies too.

demonlover was terd, the soundtrack was not