[A Thousand Threads]

I also recommend early "Die Tödliche Doris" records.

They had all their records available for free-download, "good times":-)
http://www.die-toedliche-doris.de/index.html
maybe they´ll manage to get their stuff up once again
some time in the future.

[atari 2600]

I remember my first experience with music of an industrial-bent. I was a young teen, watching MTV, when this fucked-up stuff comes on by a band calling themselves "The Art of Noise" with a song called "Close to the Edit."

Theirs was a softer, gentler version, but abrasive nonetheless to most viewers, I'm sure.
And of course, their namesake is from Russolo's early 20th c piece.

I forget who referenced Henri Chopin the other day, but I like his soundpoems and soundscapes also. I just happened along him one day a few years ago over at ubuweb after viewing the related links section here. Although he's no goth-style industrial-enthusiast (in the traditonal haha sense), he does make some rather abrasive-yet-entrancing sounds at times.

I think Eno/Fripp did a lot on their first two '70s outings (No Pussyfooting, Evening Star...two fabulous recordings) to fashion a bridge between organic-y prog and harsh decidely non-organic industrial.

[demonrail666]

The A.O.N was probably my first, albeit quite tangential, exposure. For some reason I always had something against the industrial scene which, as is usually the case, had nothing to do with having actually heard any of it.

[atari 2600]

I always have as well.

When I lived briefly in Dallas during the summer of '89 there were lots of industrial bands and I knew some people who first really exposed me to a lot of the music and how they make the music. Most of them were pretty screwed-up individuals, but then again, it was Dallas.

Then, years later in Athens, I knew this street person who called himself "Shade" and industrial was his music-of-choice. I met him at a restaurant job, but for years, I still talked to him if I saw him downtown. He was a skilled draughtsman and illustrator, and I tried to open him up to modern fine art, but he liked himself the way he was.
I particularly remember one disturbing picture this guy did. In the drawing, this guy was masturbating to a picture of his ex-girlfriend & his other hand held a loaded gun in his mouth.

[Cardinal Rob]

A bit of EBM:
[:SITD:] - Stronghold (2004)
A Split-Second - ... From The Inside (1988)
Accessory - Titan (2003)
Alien Skull Paint - Appearing From The Inside (2004)
And One - Aggressor (2003)
Assemblage 23 - Failure (2001)
Autumn Angels - Shadow Of Your Soul/Icy World (2004)
Beborn Beton - Truth (1997)
Birmingham 6 - Error of Judgment (1996)
Borghesia - Escorts and Models (1988)
Cabaret Voltaire - Drinking Gasoline EP (1985)
Camouflage - Sensor (2003)
Cassandra Complex - Hello America (1986)
Clan of Xymox - Farewell (2003)
Cyber-Tec Project - Untitled (1995)
Die Form - Duality (1997)
Echo Image - Compuphonic (2001)
Front 242 - Front by Front (1988)
Front Line Assembly - Tactical Neural Implant (1992)
Haujobb - Freeze Frame Reality (1995)
Helium Vola - Helium Vola (2001)
Kirlian Camera - Invisible Front. 2005 (2004)
The Klinik - Sabotage (1985)
Leaether Strip - Solitary Confinement (1991)
Mesh - Fragmente (1998)
Neuroticfish - Les Chansons Neurotiques (2002)
Nitzer Ebb - That Total Age (1987)
Portion Control - The Man Who Did Backward Somersaults (1994)
Run Level Zero - Walk the Psycho-path (2004)
Skinny Puppy - Bites (1985)
T.O.Y. - White Lights (2003)
Velvet Acid Christ - Hex Angel (Utopia/Dystopia) (2003)
Vision System - Monochrome (2004)
VNV Nation - Praise the Fallen (1999)
Welle:Erdball - Die Wunderwelt Der Technik (2005)
Wolfsheim - Spectators (1999)
:Wumpscut: - Embreyodead (1997)

[demonrail666]

In the UK I always felt there was a kind of split in the 'scene' towards the end of the 80s between the Industrial crowd, that seemed to be loosely connected to the goth scene, and a more straightforward punk scene. I always think the split can be defined by the respective paths taken by Swans and Sonic Youth.

Thre was also 'Body Music' and the more electronic aspect of it.

[atari 2600]

yeah Skinny Puppy...Front 242

Scratch Acid...well, sorta in a way

[Cardinal Rob]

Scratch Acid? That's new to me.

I guess you could say I only own two industrial records, COIL - Horse Rotorvator and Cabaret Voltaire - Red Mecca.

[floatingslowly]

Originally Posted by Cardinal Rob

Skinny Puppy - Bites (1985)

you just saved this thread.

I was about to go off on you heathens for failing to mention Puppy.

my list would follow more along with Cardinal Rob's.

most anything off wax trax and network record's early catalogs would be good listening.

Revolting Cocks - Big Sexy Land would be a good one too.

[atari 2600]

Just wondering...
what part of "well, sorta in a way" don't you understand, Cardinal Rob?

I included those words as a disclaimer to alert others that I was going out on a limb a little. I guess I should know better by now.

Scratch Acid are harsh & noisy, unmelodic, etc.

(no part is solely electronic instrumentation though; I suppose that's the line of demarcation)

...& are classified as "post-punk" but they are still sorta industrial, at least as much as Ministry is "industrial rock"...so are many "math rock" bands...Sims & Yow were in it...but do Scratch Acid sound like their later The Jesus Lizard? Fuck no, it doesn't sound like The Jesus Lizard a whole fucking bunch. Both bands are surely confrontational. Scratch Acid is far more out-there and abrasive-for-abrasivesness' sake

(tantamount to the industrial creedo, by the way, I'll remind)

whereas The Jesus Lizard overwhelm the listener with heavy fucking confrontational rock 'n' roll. Both bands are technically classified as "post-punk" but it shouldn't take a genius to realize that the earlier Scratch Acid was influenced by all that was hardcore...which means by goth and industrial as well as punk. Whereas, the Jesus Lizard is post-punk influenced by punk, hardcore, math, and indie rock and by the special vocal talents of David Yow finding his voice.

Case in point: if you know, say, someone that has Skinny Puppy's Bites, then chances are fairly likely they also have Scratch Acid's s/t.

oh yeah...before I forget...

people suck

they just can't help themselves

they rarely agree (if you look me up in a post search I agree a lot with people, although one may tend to just remember the clashes)...
one can never assume that they will understand anything you are relating unless you spell it out from several points of view...(& then if you do that...they call you "pretentious" or "condescending")
Damned if you do...damned if you don't...

and they just cannot refrain from sucking...it's something that they (people) are rather adept at doing.

I never wrote that Scratch Acid were technically an industrial band. That would be nonsense. Thanks for grasping the contextual meaning of my words so very concisely. Thanks for stopping by and gracing us. Just hope we're clear now.

[krastian]

Ministry-The Land of Rape and Honey is prob. my favorite.

In The Nursery
Will
Solar Enemy
Eden


All the above were on a label called Third Mind. They put out a cassette compilation called 'Rising From The Red Sand' which featured early work from Test Dept., Legendary Pink Dots, Nurse With Wound etc. Not all of the above bands are strictly industrial, but they were spawened from that scene.

[floatingslowly]

Originally Posted by atari 2600

and they just cannot refrain from sucking...it's something that they (people) are rather adept at doing.

truer words are rarely spoken.

I became a lot less argumentative once I embraced my own suck.


ON TOPIC: Skinny Puppy side projects: Cyberaktif (with Bill Leeb), Hilt and the Tear Garden are all good stuff.

[Rob Instigator]

Skinny Puppy - Testure, Bites, Vivisect VI (scariest concert I ever been to)

Nitzer Ebb - That Total Age (just drums and shouts, drums and drums and shouts)

Ministry - Mind is a Terrible Thing to taste , 12" singles

Revolting Cocks - Beers Steers & Queers

Meat beat manifesto - 99%