Steve on Rain on Tin

akprodr · 09.20.2008, 12:32 PM

I made a mix CD a while back and one guy raved about the drumming on Rain on Tin. My response was: well, there ain't a slouch in the bunch of 'em.

Steve has got to be one of the most understated and unknown of drummers. I think its because he plays so matter-of-fact-ly. Its not as flashy as, say, Neal Peart but is just as good.

(I would say, once you get to a certain level of performance, one person really isn't better than another--its just style.)

But its kind of funny, I can't listen to the drums on that track. Or more specifically, I can't hear them. My brain keeps getting sucked over to the guitars even when I try to focus. Weird.

Same kinda thing with some Tool and King Crimson songs. All of them are great drummers but I only hear it as rhythm.

atsonicpark · 09.20.2008, 01:13 PM

Yeah, he's underrated for sure.

Same as bob bert.

akprodr · 09.20.2008, 01:25 PM

I found a 'top 100 drummers' list. Oddly enough, Neal Peart was #1. Steve was #71. Across and up at 22 was Steve Smith of Journey so there goes the list's credibility.

atsonicpark · 09.20.2008, 02:13 PM

John French of Captain Beefheart probably wasn't on there was he?

auto-aim · 09.21.2008, 07:28 PM

steve is just a man that happens to play drums.

max · 09.21.2008, 07:52 PM

doing a helluva good job at it.

[Sandbag] · 09.30.2008, 09:14 PM

um.. steve is a great drummer..
just listen how the drums kicks in n 'nevermind'.. its really fucking original.
or stones...sugar kane...

i mean, i think he's both good playing drums and 'writing/composing' the drum lines.

noisereductions · 10.01.2008, 07:13 AM

Rain On Tin
Pattern Recognitin
fuckin' EXPRESSWAY y'all

StevOK · 10.01.2008, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions

Pattern Recognition

Yeah, when I first listen to Nurse, his drum breaks blew my mind.

I think his drumming really shines on Sister.

nowideau · 10.01.2008, 02:48 PM

Steve will always be under-appreciated because he purposefully strives to subdue and integrate his drumming "voice" around all three of the strings. He is the root if you will, keeping close to the basic rhythm he establishes and makes sure that that rhythm lays down enough ground work and support so as to free the others and give them room to improvise and play more outside of the basic framework. His genius and art is about making himself invisible, much the way a film editor strives to make his work seem unnoticeable to the audience.

That said, he does have his limitations as a drummer, but then again, I would say the same of any drummer who couldn't play as well as Elvin Jones, Tony Williams or Jack Dejohnette, which is a somewhat unfair expectation of just about anybody.

whorefrost · 10.01.2008, 05:11 PM

Pipeline
Bull in the Heather

baby bulldog · 10.01.2008, 05:57 PM

At the Psychic Hearts show a few weeks back we were all blown away by Steve.He always brings it.Always.

adjectives-ex · 10.02.2008, 12:56 AM

yeah. unfortunately, most people who do the rating to make somebody not underated...are kind of musically ignorant. what's worse is that he isn't a very "high-brow" drummer. it's just that so many people don't really seem to appreciate the actual role of a drummer and think that the rediculous drum solo on that Iron Butterfly song is what it means to be a good drummer. sure it's good, but it's doing it by himself. it's like masterbating or something.

s.

noisereductions · 10.02.2008, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by whorefrost

Bull in the Heather

Good call! To me "Bull In The Heather" is what it is because of string-scrapes and Steve's drums.

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akprodr the end of the ugly Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mt Clair Posts: 1,129	I found a 'top 100 drummers' list. Oddly enough, Neal Peart was #1. Steve was #71. Across and up at 22 was Steve Smith of Journey so there goes the list's credibility.
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auto-aim the destroyed room Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wales Posts: 650	steve is just a man that happens to play drums. __________________ His Naked Torso
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max expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: sardinia, italy Posts: 1,262	doing a helluva good job at it. __________________ A Dance Of Shadows - Kingdom Of Night
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09.20.2008, 12:32 PM	#1
akprodr the end of the ugly Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mt Clair Posts: 1,129	I made a mix CD a while back and one guy raved about the drumming on Rain on Tin. My response was: well, there ain't a slouch in the bunch of 'em. Steve has got to be one of the most understated and unknown of drummers. I think its because he plays so matter-of-fact-ly. Its not as flashy as, say, Neal Peart but is just as good. (I would say, once you get to a certain level of performance, one person really isn't better than another--its just style.) But its kind of funny, I can't listen to the drums on that track. Or more specifically, I can't hear them. My brain keeps getting sucked over to the guitars even when I try to focus. Weird. Same kinda thing with some Tool and King Crimson songs. All of them are great drummers but I only hear it as rhythm.
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09.30.2008, 09:14 PM	#7
[Sandbag] 100% Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 820	um.. steve is a great drummer.. just listen how the drums kicks in n 'nevermind'.. its really fucking original. or stones...sugar kane... i mean, i think he's both good playing drums and 'writing/composing' the drum lines. __________________ My new facebook page for my new mainstream noise band
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noisereductions invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England, USA Posts: 16,210	Rain On Tin Pattern Recognitin fuckin' EXPRESSWAY y'all
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10.01.2008, 02:48 PM	#10
nowideau little trouble girl Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cape Town, South Africa Posts: 47	Steve will always be under-appreciated because he purposefully strives to subdue and integrate his drumming "voice" around all three of the strings. He is the root if you will, keeping close to the basic rhythm he establishes and makes sure that that rhythm lays down enough ground work and support so as to free the others and give them room to improvise and play more outside of the basic framework. His genius and art is about making himself invisible, much the way a film editor strives to make his work seem unnoticeable to the audience. That said, he does have his limitations as a drummer, but then again, I would say the same of any drummer who couldn't play as well as Elvin Jones, Tony Williams or Jack Dejohnette, which is a somewhat unfair expectation of just about anybody. __________________ He would clear the rubble from the mouth of the shaft, he would bend the handle of the teaspoon in a loop and tie the string to it, he would lower it down the shaft deep into the earth, and when he brought it up there would be water in the bowl of the spoon; and in that way, he would say, one can live. J.M. Coetzee, "Life and Times of Michael K" Free music at: www.last.fm/music/Jacques+de+Villiers
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whorefrost invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arrived in Smoke, Arrived in Gold Posts: 2,572	Pipeline Bull in the Heather __________________ hehehe
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baby bulldog bad moon rising Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 109	At the Psychic Hearts show a few weeks back we were all blown away by Steve.He always brings it.Always.
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10.02.2008, 12:56 AM	#13
adjectives-ex bad moon rising Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: st. louis, mo Posts: 119	yeah. unfortunately, most people who do the rating to make somebody not underated...are kind of musically ignorant. what's worse is that he isn't a very "high-brow" drummer. it's just that so many people don't really seem to appreciate the actual role of a drummer and think that the rediculous drum solo on that Iron Butterfly song is what it means to be a good drummer. sure it's good, but it's doing it by himself. it's like masterbating or something. s.
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