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Originally Posted by tw2113

the world is going to end

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz86TsGx3fc

[pbradley]

^ the end of my respect for the movie industry



lol, jk, that ended a while ago

[cars_willkillyou]

I dont agree with "being chill" or "leave" when it comes to discrepancies of the government. Here's the deal. We are being taxed on just about everything we buy in life. Heavily. I'm pretty sure I read that Obama wanted to tax food as well. 3 years ago a pack of smokes cost about $3.50. Now, they are $7.00. And the American tobacco farmers dont even get to see that money, because companies have been outsourcing to central and south american tobacco farms. We just gave hundreds of billions of dollars to automotive companies that will continue to produce vehicles that average 20 mpg as their flagship models. Meanwhile, OPEC is making trillions off of American stupidity to pay that much for oil and continue to use such wasteful vehicles. And why should the government even care? They are taxing the hell out of every gallon that we buy.

If Thomas Jefferson was alive today, he'd probably kill himself. Why people are not revolting? Read yr fucking history books. The American Revolution was started because the British government taxed tea. and paper. Taxation without representation ring a bell? What exactly is the government doing FOR us? Sending our sons and daughters to die in a war waged for the hidden and financial agendas of the country's elite. Giving millionaires more money while those same millionaires lay off millions of employees. Unemployment is in double digits because of our country's greed and inaction.

I say its about time to take up arms. Or to hang for my beliefs.

[tesla69]

[quote=cars_willkillyou] I'm pretty sure I read that Obama wanted to tax food as well. >>

are you sure? maybe you should make sure before you keep spouting off.

You've been paying taxes on taxes under rethuglican and demorats. it doesn't matter who runs the show.

<3 years ago a pack of smokes cost about $3.50. Now, they are $7.00.>
in NYC they've been $7 since at least fascist Bloomie's first term. and tough shit


<And the American tobacco farmers dont even get to see that money,.>
why would they?

<We just gave hundreds of billions of dollars to automotive companies that will continue to produce vehicles that average 20 mpg as their flagship models.>
and america keeps buying them! duh! we stupid!

<Meanwhile, OPEC is making trillions off of American stupidity to pay that much for oil and continue to use such wasteful vehicles.And why should the government even care? They are taxing the hell out of every gallon that we buy.>
blame Obama for that dude! woah, sophisticated analysis!

<If Thomas Jefferson was alive today, he'd probably kill himself. >
no, thats what loser bullies do. Jefferson would haev engaged in dialougue and diplomacy

<Why people are not revolting?>
flouride in the water, heroin media on the TV, meds on every breakfast table

<Read yr fucking history books. The American Revolution was started because the British government taxed tea. and paper. Taxation without representation ring a bell?>
and where are we not represented? We have representatives at the local, state and federal level. or are you saying there is an elite conspiracy?

<I say its about time to take up arms. >
I say you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Who are you going to kill? Where were you during Bush-Cheney? Just curious?

[GeneticKiss]

Wow, tesla69 opposing a conspiracy theorist? Things certainly have changed while I was away...

[!@#$%!]

[quote=tesla69]

Originally Posted by cars_willkillyou

I'm pretty sure I read that Obama wanted to tax food as well. >>

are you sure? maybe you should make sure before you keep spouting off.

You've been paying taxes on taxes under rethuglican and demorats. it doesn't matter who runs the show.

<3 years ago a pack of smokes cost about $3.50. Now, they are $7.00.>
in NYC they've been $7 since at least fascist Bloomie's first term. and tough shit


<And the American tobacco farmers dont even get to see that money,.>
why would they?

<We just gave hundreds of billions of dollars to automotive companies that will continue to produce vehicles that average 20 mpg as their flagship models.>
and america keeps buying them! duh! we stupid!

<Meanwhile, OPEC is making trillions off of American stupidity to pay that much for oil and continue to use such wasteful vehicles.And why should the government even care? They are taxing the hell out of every gallon that we buy.>
blame Obama for that dude! woah, sophisticated analysis!

<If Thomas Jefferson was alive today, he'd probably kill himself. >
no, thats what loser bullies do. Jefferson would haev engaged in dialougue and diplomacy

<Why people are not revolting?>
flouride in the water, heroin media on the TV, meds on every breakfast table

<Read yr fucking history books. The American Revolution was started because the British government taxed tea. and paper. Taxation without representation ring a bell?>
and where are we not represented? We have representatives at the local, state and federal level. or are you saying there is an elite conspiracy?

<I say its about time to take up arms. >
I say you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Who are you going to kill? Where were you during Bush-Cheney? Just curious?

hot damn

tesla pwned the teabagger

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

[quote=tesla69]

Originally Posted by cars_willkillyou

<If Thomas Jefferson was alive today, he'd probably kill himself. >
no, thats what loser bullies do. Jefferson would haev engaged in dialougue and diplomacy

not if anyone involved were black or africans unless they were chicks

[tesla69]

Originally Posted by GeneticKiss

Wow, tesla69 opposing a conspiracy theorist? Things certainly have changed while I was away...

Now that we have a black "democrat" President they seem to be coming out of the woodwork. But during the Bush years they were silent.

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National Security Agency (NSA) sources have reported to WMR that the signals intelligence agency's warrantless wiretapping program was more widespread than originally reported and that it began shortly after the 2001 inauguration of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney,some six months prior to the 9/11 attacksFormer Qwest CEOJoseph Nacchio reported that NSA requested that his firm take part in the warrantless wiretapping program in a February 27, 2001, meeting but that he told NSA that Qwest would refuse to participate. AT&T, BellSouth, SBC, Sprint, and Verizon all agreed to participate in the wiretapping program, which resulted in such a large database of intercepted calls, faxes, and e-mails, that NSA recently announced it was building a huge 1 million square feet data warehouse at a cost of $1.5 billion at Camp Williams in Utah, as well as another massive data warehouse in San Antonio. The cover story is that the warehouses are part of NSA's new Cyber Command responsibilities. NSA sources have told WMR that the warehouses are to store the massive amount of intercepts collected by the ongoing Terrorist Surveillance Program, an above top secret program once code named STELLAR WIND by the NSA.

Nacchio was later convicted on 19 counts of insider trading of Qwest stock and sentenced to six years in federal prison. Nacchio maintained that his prosecution and conviction was in retaliation for his refusal to participate in the illegal NSA surveillance program. NSA also canceled a major contract with Qwest over its refusal to wiretap calls without warrants.resident Obamaordered his Justice Department's attorneys to press U.S. Judge Vaughn Walker to toss out a lawsuit brought against the Bush administration's warrantless wiretap program, details of which were revealed by AT&T engineer Mark Klein. Our NSA sources revealed that Obama has asked the lawsuit to be dismissed because the warrantless wiretapping program is as robust in collecting massive amounts of intercepted communications without a warrant under Obama as it did during the Bush-Cheney administration. Obama also backs immunity from lawsuits for telecommunications companies participating in the illegal surveillance operations. The Justice Department is using the draconian State Secrets Privilege to battle against lawsuits against the telecommunication carriers.

NSA collects domestic communications by installing specialized eavesdropping equipment, including traffic analyzers,at over 25 telecommunications facilities around the United States, including where Klein worked at AT&T'scentral office in the SBC Buildingat 611 Folsom Street in San Francisco and at major switching facilities in Bridgeton, Missouri; San Jose; San Diego; Seattle; Los Angeles (1150 South Olive Street, as well asthe Beverly Hills central office that targets the area's rich and famous celebrities); Chicago (227 West Monroe Street); New York (Lower Manhattan at 33 Thomas Street, 375 Pearl Street,and 811 10th Avenue); Northern Virginia/Washington, DC; Miami; Atlanta (Midtown Center); Houston; Minneapolis; Detroit (1365 Cass Avenue); Jacksonville, Florida; Philadelphia; Kansas City; Dallas (One AT&T Plaza); Memphis; Pittsburgh; Bedminster, New Jersey; Boston; Nashville (333 Commerce Street); Baltimore; Cleveland (Huron Road Building); and Denver.

One of the first targets of the NSA warrantless wiretapping program in February 2001, a few weeks after Bush's inauguration, was Iraqi-Americans and other Arab-Americans, as well asresident aliens from Arab countries in the United States. The warrantless wiretapping of the Arab-American community coincided with “surge operations” directed by NSA against the communications of Saddam Hussein and his top government officials in Iraq and other countries.
The NSA warrantless wiretapping program soon grew to include millions of Americans, including elected and appointed government officials, federal judges, anti-Bush celebrities and clergy, and even intelligence and law enforcement officials. WMR previously reported that a joint NSA-CIA database code-named FIRST FRUITS maintained a database on the intercepted phone calls of U.S. journalists.

WMR previously reported that NSA “fishnet” surveillance was used in the take down of New York Governor Eliot Spitzer and Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich, as well as political dirt gathering directed against New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and then-Senator Joe Biden. There is also every indication that NSA intercepted the phone calls and emails of the junior senator from Illinois -- one Barack Obama.

[Lethrneck4]

heh...took dubya 3 years for his approval rating to drop below 50..

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Originally Posted by tw2113

the world is going to end

with the way shit's going, i think i might be down for that. motherfucking bring it ON, apocalypse.

[ni'k]

anyone in ANY country who says 'love it or leave it' or 'thats the way things are and if you don't like it you can go live somewhere else' should be rounded up en mass and then dumped in the farthest regions of the antartic plains and told to start loving their new country or face being shot in the back if they try to escape

[gmku]

Korean War (Harry Truman (D); Dwight Eisenhower (R))

Vietnam War (John Kennedy/Lyndon Johnson (D); Richard Nixon (R))

First Iraqi War (George H. Bush (R))

Second Iraqi War (George W. Bush (R); Barack Obama (D))

Afghanistani War (Geroge W. Bush (R); Barack Obama (D))

SO it looks like Republican or Democrat, conservative or liberal, presidents on both sides have owned almost every war since WWII. (The exception is the First Iraqi when Bush Sr seems to have been the only one smart enough to get us in and out of a war in less than a single term in office!) So I guess I'm not surprised that Obama is going hawkish.

Meet the new boss, same as all the old bosses?