[ZEROpumpkins]

jesus this is like the largest growing thread on this board.

[jico.]

Originally Posted by swa(y)

what if the dude set off a bomb in the gymnasium..haha...wanna talk about a massacre...wanna talk about a blllllooooody fucking mess?????

that's why bombs are banned.

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by swa(y)

theres no "stopping it".

Making rape illegal hasn't stopped it from happening, but does that mean we should just give up and legalise it? It's all about improving problems, not necessarily solving them.

[Tokolosh]

Please don't let this turn into the "Fight against Terror" crap!

[sonicl]

If this thread ever looks like it's going to go somewhere, could someone let me know. Thanks.

[jico.]

Originally Posted by swa(y)

bombs being banned didnt stop timothy mcveigh....and they sure as fuck didnt stop ted kaczynski.

now what are we to do?

you can make guns, as well as bombs...and niether are too difficult.

see man..the issue isnt banning it.

they didnt stop... but it sure helped...

lol... you'll never stop things like this from happening!... the point is how can you help reduce the number of times that things like this happen...

[tesla69]

Originally Posted by swa(y)

lsd was made illegal...what good did that do?

none whatsoever.

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by swa(y)

demon...yr smarter than that.

Don't be so sure.

[sonicl]

So killings of a number of people are acceptable, so long as it doesn't happen too often?

Originally Posted by swa(y)

see man..the issue isnt banning it.

A more serious issue is the blatant culture of violence (look at many a movie etc for proof) that is certainly highly visible in the output of the States when it comes to entertainment. Not saying that it happens only in the States, but it's certainly a much more widespread practice to portray violence in a glamorous way in the States, more than anywhere else. Take a movie like the Fight Club: stylish and all that, but it certainly doesn't say anything more than being violent and negative is the only way someone can prove themselves.


A disclaimer:

I'm not saying there that one has to be a pacifist either. If it comes down to defending yourself phisically, the only option would remain a violent one.

[jico.]

Originally Posted by swa(y)

reduce....fucking reduce????????


what a fucking joke.


this is happened how many times here in the us (at this scale)????

do you even know?

not many, thats for damned sure. (if yr talking "massaacre" still)

i saw list with number of times that that shit happened there.

are you happy with numbers? ok then.
have fun.

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school massacre is an incident of violence at a school involving at least one actual death.

[sonicl]

I don't think that the USA has a greater tendency towards making films with violence in them than other nations, just a greater tendency towatds making films full stop. The "World Cinema" section of your local DVD store has plenty of violent films, possibly proportionately more than the rest of the store.

That's like, 600 countries combined into the same section against a giant movie industry run by one single country.

[sonicl]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

That's like, 600 countries combined into the same section against a giant movie industry run by one single country.

Yes, that's what I said. The violence portrayed in the Hollywood movie industry just looks greater because there are more films from there being shown. I don't recall "La Haine" being shown at my local multiplex.

[sonicl]

Lack of respect for the value of human life seems to be pretty commonplace. Fourteen year old kids stabbing thirteen year olds, people killing a pensioner for the sake of stealing a pitiful amount of cash. The pertinent question would seem to be, how can people be taught to respect the value of another life?


EDIT - I think I've just echoed Nefeli there, haven't I?

[atari 2600]

Originally Posted by the ikara cult

Thats what i said, it was premeditated, they would find a way of doing it if you banned guns.
I dont think its a "misperception" that guns are easier at all, i think the example i gave illustrates this; Its a proximity thing. Its easier for people to shoot someone dead than beat them to death with a bat or stab them to death. The example i gave showed that "normal" people were less capable of behaviour that endangered the life of others (again i hasten to add im not focusing on the obedience aspect of it) when it involved an act of physical aggression - Guns require less aggression therefore its easier for "normal" people to use them to kill.

I agree, the ikara cult. All your posts in this thread are very sensible.

And during a domestic dispute, as early reports allege this shooting sprang from, having a gun on hand increases the likelihood of someone getting seriously injured or killed. It seems in this case, the male student killed a female friend and then resigned himself to die after that, insanely motivated to take others with him.

Many here should be familiar with the statistics that if you own a handgun that you are likely to shoot someone you know in a dispute or have your own self killed by it.

Originally Posted by sonicl

I don't think that the USA has a greater tendency towards making films with violence in them than other nations, just a greater tendency towatds making films full stop. The "World Cinema" section of your local DVD store has plenty of violent films, possibly proportionately more than the rest of the store.

How many movies do you watch in a year?

[floatingslowly]

I think after watching the news last night, I've capitulated a bit.

although I still maintain that I do not believe that it will actually stop violence, I would not be opposed to extremely strict regulations on gun ownership.

like I said, I never planned on owning a gun so this really wouldn't effect me in any way that I can sense. although I feel like I would be giving up my convictions due to media attention, this horrific shit has to stop.

or we could just say fuck all and turn Los Angeles into a penal colony. surely the threat of going to LA would be enough to stop most of this.

[sonicl]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

How many movies do you watch in a year?

Not a huge amount, partly because I tend to avoid violent films.

[Tokolosh]

Imagine the massacre, if Bollywood started making gun crazy musicals.

 

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