[5Against1]

I just received a letter from my kid's High School informing me that represenatives from the various military branches are requesting names, birth dates, phone #'s, etc. for juniors and seniors. There is a form to opt out of this so it's not going to send me over the edge but it's the reason they have the 'right' to this info that surprised me. Under the NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND LAW the school district is compelled to hand over the info! WTF? These are professional con artists, I don't think they should be allowed access to 16 and 17 year-old kids, it just has a bad feel about it. Not all teens are gullable but some will fall for the sales pitch and end up tending to KBR's bottom line in the name of patriotism. What do you think?

[Rob Instigator]

it is the law that any and all kids reaching te age of 18 have to sign up with selective service, in case of a draft and all.

I wonder if this has anything to do with that?

[SynthethicalY]

You know you do not need to bold your letters. We already know about such awful laws.

[StevOK]

Tell them your kids have gotten accepted into college and that they have asthma. That'll keep the recruitment office away.

[SynthethicalY]

I never had that. I did the selective service thing though.

[floatingslowly]

Originally Posted by 5Against1

There is a form to opt out of this

I wonder what kind of list THAT puts you on....

[sonicl]

I think I haven't got a clue what you're on about.
I think it's good that there are people around to spot conspiracies that I might otherwise have missed.
But most of all, I think I'm glad I'm British.

[SynthethicalY]

You should be glad, as all british are sexy. You know.

[schizophrenicroom]

no child left behind is causing the death of the public school system.

[Rob Instigator]

i like when british chicks have soft round booties, and curves a plenty, and they say things like "I am wearing no knickers. Come here and get a taste of this, rob instigator."

[Rob Instigator]

I hate Preznit Dubya's double-speak bullshit.

no Child Left Behind is a fucking JOKE in a country where kids have been graduating without being able to read for decades just to fulfill mandated graduation quotas.
what about kids who fail? we cannot leave them behind either?

[SynthethicalY]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

I hate Preznit Dubya's double-speak bullshit.

no Child Left Behind is a fucking JOKE in a country where kids have been graduating without being able to read for decades just to fulfill mandated graduation quotas.
what about kids who fail? we cannot leave them behind either?

Well I think the whole mentality in America, is survival of the fittest. In school it is very rampant to see uninterested kids, because teachers cannot be creative anymore. I know I dropped out of High School because all of them were boring or could not teach the way they wanted.

[Inhuman]

Do you americans have to sign up for the selective services, male and female? And it's two years right? That's terrible...

[SynthethicalY]

No it is only males, you just have to submit your info. In case they ever bring the draft again they will have the people they need.

Edit- Also if you do not submit your info you cannot get financial aid, or some help the goverment might give you.

[alyasa]

Male Singaporean citizens and permanent residents alike are required to register for National Service upon reaching the age of 16½ years old, during which, they would also be required to undergo a mandatory medical examination to determine their medical status, known as Physical Emplyment Status (PES), which would be used as a guideline as to which vocation the person would be placed in.

They are then called up for enlistment at the age of 18, although most Singaporean males would usually choose to complete their tertiary education in the respective Polytechnics, High Schools, Junior Colleges, Pre-University courses or other institutions before commencing the mandatory duration in which they are required to serve.
Those who voluntarily opt for early enlistment with the consent of their parents are allowed to commence full-time national service at the age of 16½.

The duration of the conscription for a typical Singaporean male usually spans over a period of 2 or 2½ years depending on his educational qualifications. As an incentive of some sort, the duration may be cut by a further 2 months, if potential enlistees are able to obtain a silver or gold for their physical fitness test (NAPFA) prior to enlistment. The duration of National Service has since undergone some minor changes and it now stands at a period of 1 years 10 months to a maximum of 2 years.

Exemptions are rare and are usually due to disability or serious medical conditions certified by the SAF Medical Board. One instance of rare cases of exemption would be if the enlistment would cause hardship to the enlistee's family, be it financially or otherwise, although this particular exemption is rarely granted.

Male children who take up permanent residency status through their permanent resident parent's sponsorship will be required to serve National Service like other Singaporean males. However, foreigners who take up jobs in Singapore or become permanent residents of Singapore will not be required to serve National Service.
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Those who are liable to serve national service, but refuse to, are charged under the Enlistment Act. If convicted, face imprisonment for a period of three years and a fine of S$10,000. The penalties were increased in January 2006 after a Singapore-born pianist, Melvyn Tan, received a fine for defaulting on his national service obligations. In parliament, Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean provided some illustration of the punishments defaulters would face;

• Where the default period exceeds two years but the defaulter is young enough to serve his full-time and operationally ready NS duties in full, MINDEF will press for a short jail sentence.
• Where the defaulter has reached an age when he cannot serve his full-time NS in a combat vocation or fulfil his operationally ready NS obligations in full, a longer jail sentence to reflect the period of NS he has evaded may be appropriate.
• Where the defaulter has reached an age when he cannot be called up for NS at all, a jail sentence up to the maximum of three years may be appropriate.

Each year, a small number of people are convicted for their failure to enlist or refusal to serve in the military. Most of them are Jehovah's Witnesses, who are usually court-martialled and sentenced to three years of imprisonment, although they are usually held in a low security detention facility and separated from other military offenders. Conscientious objection is not a legal reason for refusing to serve NS. Since 1972, Jehovah's Witnesses as a religious group has been banned in Singapore.

In addition, male Singaporeans who did not serve National Service, and subsequently relinquished their Singaporean citizenship have been refused work permits or even student visas.

[h8kurdt]

Originally Posted by schizophrenicroom

no child left behind is causing the death of the public school system.

Some of the ideas for it are good..well the idea that kids will be able to read and wirte etc...after that it's kind of screwed and the main one is the idea of shutting schools down if they don't perform well. Not the best encouragement is it, really?

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by StevOK

Tell them your kids have gotten accepted into college and that they have asthma. That'll keep the recruitment office away.

bullshit, its been years since I ever saw a highschool and recruiters have called me six times, all got their info from college..