Originality

noumenal · 10.10.2007, 12:47 PM

Here's a quote from a fictional character:

"Originality is a device that untalented people use to impress other untalented people..."

Discuss.

ALIEN ANAL · 10.10.2007, 12:52 PM

no way
untalented people take talented peoples originalty to impress other untalented people

king_buzzo · 10.10.2007, 01:00 PM

the meaning of the quote is that its my new msn pm

floatingslowly · 10.10.2007, 01:09 PM

I find it much more fun to rip-off things that other people have done, mold them to my own use and pretend (with a straight face) that I came up with the idea altogether.

hell, even most of my posts are recycles.

Anngella · 10.10.2007, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by floatingslowly

I find it much more fun to rip-off things that other people have done, mold them to my own use and pretend (with a straight face) that I came up with the idea altogether.

hell, even most of my posts are recycles.

And your (rad) signature!!

Sheriff Rhys Chatham · 10.10.2007, 03:34 PM

Creativity is about hiding your souces. Something liek taht, it's an Einstien quote.

alyasa · 10.10.2007, 03:55 PM

Originality? Does it even exist anymore?

pbradley · 10.10.2007, 04:03 PM

If all things have origins, then everyone is untalented.

Rob Instigator · 10.10.2007, 04:15 PM

originality exists.
nothing is absolute however, so absolute originality does not exist.
original thought willl exist as long as there are humans to think.

here is an original sentence.

"I dropped the crust from my eyelashes into my squeezed-open piss-hole, thereby savoring the most exquisite pain of the week."

originality is EASY. what is not easy is worthwhile originality.
Look at carrot Top. he is an "original" creation, but he most definitely sucks.

and he is like 44 years old

Glice · 10.10.2007, 04:25 PM

The 'original' very quickly become the soporific, the cliched. The innovative is a good category, 'good' is both best and least useful.

Having eschewed 'originality' in the general use (it doesn't describe anything, neither itself nor its object), I'm still fascinated with how some things manage to be unlike other things.

This post bought to you by giving up and tiredness.

Green_mind · 10.10.2007, 04:33 PM

Here is another original sentence, "Your precious star gem, it has been dislodged from your almighty cleavage."
Absolute originality definately can exist, e.g., an absolute original painting of a flock of sheep.

Rob Instigator · 10.10.2007, 04:40 PM

green mind, there are tons of paintings of sheep.

that negates any true originality. very few artists achieve such levels.

that's why we love dali, and Duchamp and Pollock etc etc

Green_mind · 10.10.2007, 04:54 PM

yeah, I see your point man, but absolutes do exist and I believe absolute originality can exist.

Rob Instigator · 10.10.2007, 04:55 PM

I think absolutes are ideals, to be strived for, but in our imperfect universe, never to eb truly reached.
all human endeavor is built upon the shoulders of those that came before us.

Savage Clone · 10.10.2007, 05:02 PM

I like originality and (often, though not always) enjoy it very much when I see it, but overall I would say I am more into interesting amalgamations and oblique references (these things make landmarks out of shared tastes and experiences) and sincerity coupled with impeccable execution of one's chosen style.

SynthethicalY · 10.10.2007, 06:41 PM

Savage said it best.

alyasa · 10.10.2007, 07:55 PM

Absolutes are fleeting at best, but paradoxically, originality as an ideal unto itself can exist. As Robby-Trip-Instigator mentioned, we love people like Dali and Duchamp, because they embody the spirit of originality; they are; if you like; the mortal personifications of an immortal ideal. Their work transcends the boundaries of what originality is defined by and become the paragon of absoluteness. So, Green-Mind and Robo Tripper, you guys are both right, somewhat. Just my opinion...

atsonicpark · 10.10.2007, 09:57 PM

Lots of "talented" people who play in bands are interested in playing music for a living. Thus, they must create songs that will appeal to a huge cross-section of people all over the world. But creative people, talented or not "technically" talented (again, this sparks anoter debate: what exactly is "talent"? I think it's a mix of technicality AND originality, but..) with self-respect issues can't do that -- don't WANT to do that. There's a reason I'm not a huge rock and roll star and lots of forward-thinking bands aren't either. I'm sure there's plenty of technically talented people who have tons of good ideas -- they just don't use them because they'd rather appeal to the masses. Obvious but true.

Also, I think I just saw Carrot Top's pubes.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham · 10.10.2007, 09:58 PM

yes you did.
And I agree.

noumenal · 10.15.2007, 12:04 AM

Read this:

http://www.eludication.org/maingraph...les/hickey.pdf

10.10.2007, 12:47 PM	#1
noumenal expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,855	Here's a quote from a fictional character: "Originality is a device that untalented people use to impress other untalented people..." Discuss.
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10.10.2007, 12:52 PM	#2
ALIEN ANAL invito al cielo Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 5,461	no way untalented people take talented peoples originalty to impress other untalented people __________________ www.instagram.com/alienanal
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king_buzzo invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,110	the meaning of the quote is that its my new msn pm
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floatingslowly invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 21,165	I find it much more fun to rip-off things that other people have done, mold them to my own use and pretend (with a straight face) that I came up with the idea altogether. hell, even most of my posts are recycles.
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10.10.2007, 03:34 PM	#6
Sheriff Rhys Chatham invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England. Posts: 4,027	Creativity is about hiding your souces. Something liek taht, it's an Einstien quote. __________________ My Music(grunge rock) A part of this blue shit since June 24th, 2004
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10.10.2007, 03:55 PM	#7
alyasa invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,791	Originality? Does it even exist anymore? __________________ Sab Kuch Tick Tock Hai
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10.10.2007, 04:03 PM	#8
pbradley invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SoKo Posts: 10,621	If all things have origins, then everyone is untalented.
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10.10.2007, 04:15 PM	#9
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,991	originality exists. nothing is absolute however, so absolute originality does not exist. original thought willl exist as long as there are humans to think. here is an original sentence. "I dropped the crust from my eyelashes into my squeezed-open piss-hole, thereby savoring the most exquisite pain of the week." originality is EASY. what is not easy is worthwhile originality. Look at carrot Top. he is an "original" creation, but he most definitely sucks. and he is like 44 years old __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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10.10.2007, 04:33 PM	#11
Green_mind the end of the ugly Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 827	Here is another original sentence, "Your precious star gem, it has been dislodged from your almighty cleavage." Absolute originality definately can exist, e.g., an absolute original painting of a flock of sheep.
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10.10.2007, 04:40 PM	#12
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,991	green mind, there are tons of paintings of sheep. that negates any true originality. very few artists achieve such levels. that's why we love dali, and Duchamp and Pollock etc etc __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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10.10.2007, 04:54 PM	#13
Green_mind the end of the ugly Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 827	yeah, I see your point man, but absolutes do exist and I believe absolute originality can exist.
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10.10.2007, 04:55 PM	#14
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,991	I think absolutes are ideals, to be strived for, but in our imperfect universe, never to eb truly reached. all human endeavor is built upon the shoulders of those that came before us. __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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10.10.2007, 05:02 PM	#15
Savage Clone invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,290	I like originality and (often, though not always) enjoy it very much when I see it, but overall I would say I am more into interesting amalgamations and oblique references (these things make landmarks out of shared tastes and experiences) and sincerity coupled with impeccable execution of one's chosen style.
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10.10.2007, 06:41 PM	#16
SynthethicalY invito al cielo Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 7,408	Savage said it best.
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10.10.2007, 07:55 PM	#17
alyasa invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,791	Absolutes are fleeting at best, but paradoxically, originality as an ideal unto itself can exist. As Robby-Trip-Instigator mentioned, we love people like Dali and Duchamp, because they embody the spirit of originality; they are; if you like; the mortal personifications of an immortal ideal. Their work transcends the boundaries of what originality is defined by and become the paragon of absoluteness. So, Green-Mind and Robo Tripper, you guys are both right, somewhat. Just my opinion... __________________ Sab Kuch Tick Tock Hai
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10.10.2007, 09:57 PM	#18
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	Lots of "talented" people who play in bands are interested in playing music for a living. Thus, they must create songs that will appeal to a huge cross-section of people all over the world. But creative people, talented or not "technically" talented (again, this sparks anoter debate: what exactly is "talent"? I think it's a mix of technicality AND originality, but..) with self-respect issues can't do that -- don't WANT to do that. There's a reason I'm not a huge rock and roll star and lots of forward-thinking bands aren't either. I'm sure there's plenty of technically talented people who have tons of good ideas -- they just don't use them because they'd rather appeal to the masses. Obvious but true. Also, I think I just saw Carrot Top's pubes. __________________
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10.10.2007, 09:58 PM	#19
Sheriff Rhys Chatham invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England. Posts: 4,027	yes you did. And I agree. __________________ My Music(grunge rock) A part of this blue shit since June 24th, 2004
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10.15.2007, 12:04 AM	#20
noumenal expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,855	Read this: http://www.eludication.org/maingraph...les/hickey.pdf
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