Why are our parents so pissed off at the Healthcare Reform passing?

SuchFriendsAreDangerous · 03.23.2010, 08:37 PM

It seems there is a serious generation gap in this debate..

all the folks from our parents generation are pissed off, where as most of us are rather cool about it, even relieved.

I don't get it? What are they so affraid of? Have the misinformation jockeys and mass media spin doctors utterly succeeded? Why are our parents so pissed off that this HealthCare Reform passed? Didn't they realize our country needs reform? Did they realize they have been paying ridiculously high amounts of money for healthcare? Don't they understand that millions of uninsured Americans cost the taxpayers MORE money through expensive emergency room visits and so we as americans are paying for it one way or the other? SHIT!!
Even my folks are caught up in this shit and they are not exactly rightists

My mother was poor. We were poor. We didn't have any fucking health insurance for years until she got a better job.. she paid for hospital bills from my early childhood up until middle school, she just switched to an upgrade job as a University professor/coordinator and now she is paying more for her insurance than before, and yet she is pissed off at the reform bill passing? WTF?

My pops is a total lowlife scamming SSI/Disability for over a decade now, saying he is too crazy to work (ironically now he has become too crazy too work) and even he was pissed off about this, that motherfucker doesn't pay shit to anyone!

why is everyone so pissed off? I really don't get it..

It sucks to live in a time of serious social reform, all the assholes come out of the wood work.. this is the same climate around the Civil Rights Act.

"They see me rollin.. they hatin"

static-harmony · 03.23.2010, 08:41 PM

Socialism man.

pbradley · 03.23.2010, 08:48 PM

My parents are quite pleased with the new Healthcare reform.

My mom, in fact, strongly supports the public option.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous · 03.23.2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by static-harmony

Socialism man.

dude thats a bunch of baggage left over from the Reagan era..

newsflash America is a mixed system, and there already is plenty of socialism.

Public school?
Medicare?
Medicaid?
Food stamps?
Agricultural Subsidy Programs?
Tax Incentives?
Military-Industrial Complex?

get the fuck out of here with that shit, America has been a mixed-socialist state for a long time now, that is not news, and I highly doubt the Tea Party wants to get rid of the public schools they send their kids to and the Medicare the hope to retire on..

SuchFriendsAreDangerous · 03.23.2010, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbradley

My parents are quite pleased with the new Healthcare reform.

My mom, in fact, strongly supports the public option.

this was not a universal statement, many of our parents are quite pleased, but it seems obvious that the vast majority of opposition is coming from our parents generation (ie, some of our parents) and all the young folks I hear complaining have just been regurgitating the same exact misinformation their parents told them..

static-harmony · 03.23.2010, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

dude thats a bunch of baggage left over from the Reagan era..

newsflash America is a mixed system, and there already is plenty of socialism.

Public school?
Medicare?
Medicaid?
Food stamps?
Agricultural Subsidy Programs?
Tax Incentives?
Military-Industrial Complex?

get the fuck out of here with that shit, America has been a mixed-socialist state for a long time now, that is not news, and I highly doubt the Tea Party wants to get rid of the public schools they send their kids to and the Medicare the hope to retire on..

Um did you get my point?

knox · 03.24.2010, 04:34 AM

I have no idea what people say when they say "mixed system", it is a definition that only exists in america. All the other developed countries have social benefits and services, and yet are still capitalist countries. I know you're going to say blah blah blah, but I just wanted to point out how odd that definition is, only in america people call social services socialism and seem to have a idea of a perfectly free market capitalism being even possible.

If that is a "mixed system" than no country is purely capitalist? sounds like bs, to throw the word SOCIALISM around just to scare people.

For the rest of us, we don't tend to see social benefits, housing, investment, pension, security, health and education as anything more than the basic services that should be provided by the goverment considering we are PAYING them taxes and part of our income.

I don't know, that or space programs.

Florya · 03.24.2010, 07:13 AM

Looking at it from the UK, I'm baffled at the opposition to Healthcare Reform in the US.
For the vast majority of US citizens, nothing will change except their cover will be more secure (none of this 'pre existing condition' crap)
And for the minority that just plain old couldn't afford it - now they won't have to. What could be wrong with that!?

The rhetoric I've heard on American TV channels shows either a total disregard for those less fortunate in your society, or wilful ignorance about what these reforms are all about.

The UK's National Health Service isn't perfect, but it's free. For everyone. Rich, poor, or destitute. If you need heathcare it's there. If you want to upgrade, you're perfectly entitled to if you can afford it, but if you can't you'll still get a damn good service.

knox · 03.24.2010, 07:16 AM

And that goes for most developed or developing countries, most of them nowhere as near as rich as the us, but still providing a basic human right that is health care.

akprodr · 03.24.2010, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Florya

The rhetoric I've heard on American TV channels shows either a total disregard for those less fortunate in your society, or wilful ignorance about what these reforms are all about.

Bingo!

akprodr · 03.24.2010, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knox

, but still providing a basic human right that is health care.

But, didn't you say yourself, some (a lot?) of USians do not think that health care is a basic human right (only to possess guns)

Glice · 03.24.2010, 07:30 AM

According to Wikipedia. Blue is 'single-payer universal health care', green is 'public universal health care through other means' and grey is 'no health care or data'. You'll note that it's massively underpopulated territories (Greenland and the poles) and the US that are ostensibly prosperous countries without universal healthcare; other wise it's most of Africa (although, let's not forget that not all of Africa is destitute), Arab states, bits of the Indian subcontinent, East-Asian Island states and sparsely populated areas like Mongolia. The US defines 'developed capitalist state' and yet are over a hundred years behind Germany on health care.

The only criticism I've read out of the US criticising healthcare reform has come back to a general disdain towards socialism. Has anyone read anything reasonable that doesn't go into that? Because I'd hardly say good old Fritz was socialist.

Pookie · 03.24.2010, 07:42 AM

I don't think many of the people crying socialism (in the media and the GOP) actually believe that healthcare reform equals socialism. It's just a useful word to put in the mouths of the teabaggers.

You have to remember that a LOT of Republicans (and quite a few Democrats) are in the pay of insurance companies. And this is not a secret.

The US political system is FUCKED UP.

tesla69 · 03.24.2010, 08:29 AM

why? because your parents have reacted accordingly to the massive propaganda assault by the racist elites.

As long as hospitals are allowed to bill $8 for a 20 cent pill, the system is fucked.

amazingly, at the same time, the Congress passed the student loans bill that will take the loans out of the banks and loan directly from the State. This will save students money. Won't matter to me, I already paid my tuition + 25% because I'm poor.

SONIC GAIL · 03.24.2010, 08:56 AM

I don't think my parent really like it. I think it is myth, but they were concerned about people not recieving care once they reach a certain age.
Most older folks do not like change. They are content to have thier suroundings predictable. It scares them.

akprodr · 03.24.2010, 09:08 AM

Yeah, we ALREADY HAVE health care rationing. If ya ain't got the money or insurance denies you, you ain't got health care!

This bill will, hopefully, make it (rationing) smarter by paying for outcomes rather than just lots of (potentially harmful) tests.

atsonicpark · 03.24.2010, 09:37 AM

I haven't paid attention to this at all, nor do I give a fuck. Of course, I am the only person I know who is successful at all, hasn't blown all their money on retarded shit, and isn't in debt, so maybe that has something to do with it. Does this mean I HAVE TO get insurance? If so, that's fine, it just will cut out the drug dealers I usually deal with to get hydrocodone. Now I can just get it legally, and for cheaper. Either way, no biggy.

Lamont Cranston · 03.25.2010, 01:04 AM

They grew up in the Cold War.
They hear the buzzwords of the Rightwing Noise Machine and react like one of Pavlovs dogs.

pbradley · 03.25.2010, 01:20 AM

The problem with the older folks is that they are staggeringly greedy about their medicare to the degree that they're quite paranoid at attempts to reform healthcare in any way. The public option, sometimes referred to as expanding medicare, directly irritates these fears as pundits tell them that such reform would drain their coverage.

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03.23.2010, 08:37 PM	#1
SuchFriendsAreDangerous invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: fucking Los Angeles Posts: 14,801	It seems there is a serious generation gap in this debate.. all the folks from our parents generation are pissed off, where as most of us are rather cool about it, even relieved. I don't get it? What are they so affraid of? Have the misinformation jockeys and mass media spin doctors utterly succeeded? Why are our parents so pissed off that this HealthCare Reform passed? Didn't they realize our country needs reform? Did they realize they have been paying ridiculously high amounts of money for healthcare? Don't they understand that millions of uninsured Americans cost the taxpayers MORE money through expensive emergency room visits and so we as americans are paying for it one way or the other? SHIT!! Even my folks are caught up in this shit and they are not exactly rightists My mother was poor. We were poor. We didn't have any fucking health insurance for years until she got a better job.. she paid for hospital bills from my early childhood up until middle school, she just switched to an upgrade job as a University professor/coordinator and now she is paying more for her insurance than before, and yet she is pissed off at the reform bill passing? WTF? My pops is a total lowlife scamming SSI/Disability for over a decade now, saying he is too crazy to work (ironically now he has become too crazy too work) and even he was pissed off about this, that motherfucker doesn't pay shit to anyone! why is everyone so pissed off? I really don't get it.. It sucks to live in a time of serious social reform, all the assholes come out of the wood work.. this is the same climate around the Civil Rights Act. "They see me rollin.. they hatin" __________________ Today Rap music is the Lakers
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03.23.2010, 08:41 PM	#2
static-harmony invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: outside L.A Posts: 5,156	Socialism man. __________________
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03.23.2010, 08:48 PM	#3
pbradley invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SoKo Posts: 10,621	My parents are quite pleased with the new Healthcare reform. My mom, in fact, strongly supports the public option.
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03.24.2010, 04:34 AM	#7
knox invito al cielo Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,255	I have no idea what people say when they say "mixed system", it is a definition that only exists in america. All the other developed countries have social benefits and services, and yet are still capitalist countries. I know you're going to say blah blah blah, but I just wanted to point out how odd that definition is, only in america people call social services socialism and seem to have a idea of a perfectly free market capitalism being even possible. If that is a "mixed system" than no country is purely capitalist? sounds like bs, to throw the word SOCIALISM around just to scare people. For the rest of us, we don't tend to see social benefits, housing, investment, pension, security, health and education as anything more than the basic services that should be provided by the goverment considering we are PAYING them taxes and part of our income. I don't know, that or space programs. __________________
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03.24.2010, 07:13 AM	#8
Florya expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: a little world, all of my own. Posts: 1,668	Looking at it from the UK, I'm baffled at the opposition to Healthcare Reform in the US. For the vast majority of US citizens, nothing will change except their cover will be more secure (none of this 'pre existing condition' crap) And for the minority that just plain old couldn't afford it - now they won't have to. What could be wrong with that!? The rhetoric I've heard on American TV channels shows either a total disregard for those less fortunate in your society, or wilful ignorance about what these reforms are all about. The UK's National Health Service isn't perfect, but it's free. For everyone. Rich, poor, or destitute. If you need heathcare it's there. If you want to upgrade, you're perfectly entitled to if you can afford it, but if you can't you'll still get a damn good service. __________________ it takes an old guy like bloodbeach'85 to get anything right - atari 2600 listening mirror @ Soundcloud http://soundcloud.com/listening-mirror
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03.24.2010, 07:16 AM	#9
knox invito al cielo Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,255	And that goes for most developed or developing countries, most of them nowhere as near as rich as the us, but still providing a basic human right that is health care. __________________
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03.24.2010, 07:42 AM	#13
Pookie invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 9,877	I don't think many of the people crying socialism (in the media and the GOP) actually believe that healthcare reform equals socialism. It's just a useful word to put in the mouths of the teabaggers. You have to remember that a LOT of Republicans (and quite a few Democrats) are in the pay of insurance companies. And this is not a secret. The US political system is FUCKED UP.
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03.24.2010, 08:29 AM	#14
tesla69 Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 4,055	why? because your parents have reacted accordingly to the massive propaganda assault by the racist elites. As long as hospitals are allowed to bill $8 for a 20 cent pill, the system is fucked. amazingly, at the same time, the Congress passed the student loans bill that will take the loans out of the banks and loan directly from the State. This will save students money. Won't matter to me, I already paid my tuition + 25% because I'm poor.
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03.24.2010, 08:56 AM	#15
SONIC GAIL invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: I moved from hillbilly Florida to hillbilly Alabama Posts: 3,723	I don't think my parent really like it. I think it is myth, but they were concerned about people not recieving care once they reach a certain age. Most older folks do not like change. They are content to have thier suroundings predictable. It scares them. __________________
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03.24.2010, 09:08 AM	#16
akprodr the end of the ugly Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mt Clair Posts: 1,129	Yeah, we ALREADY HAVE health care rationing. If ya ain't got the money or insurance denies you, you ain't got health care! This bill will, hopefully, make it (rationing) smarter by paying for outcomes rather than just lots of (potentially harmful) tests. __________________ Odi profanum vulgus et arceo
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03.24.2010, 09:37 AM	#17
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	I haven't paid attention to this at all, nor do I give a fuck. Of course, I am the only person I know who is successful at all, hasn't blown all their money on retarded shit, and isn't in debt, so maybe that has something to do with it. Does this mean I HAVE TO get insurance? If so, that's fine, it just will cut out the drug dealers I usually deal with to get hydrocodone. Now I can just get it legally, and for cheaper. Either way, no biggy. __________________
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03.25.2010, 01:04 AM	#18
Lamont Cranston 100% Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 725	They grew up in the Cold War. They hear the buzzwords of the Rightwing Noise Machine and react like one of Pavlovs dogs. __________________ This is how it will all end: not with floods, earthquakes, falling comets or gigantic crabs roaming the Earth. No, doomsday will start simply out of indifference.
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03.25.2010, 01:20 AM	#19
pbradley invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SoKo Posts: 10,621	The problem with the older folks is that they are staggeringly greedy about their medicare to the degree that they're quite paranoid at attempts to reform healthcare in any way. The public option, sometimes referred to as expanding medicare, directly irritates these fears as pundits tell them that such reform would drain their coverage.
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