[space_monkey]

what do you think abot him

[porkmarras]

twat

[Tokolosh]

We use to call guys like him freedom fighters, now we call them terrorists.

[Hip Priest]

Originally Posted by porkmarras

twat

Leftie red twat. Che, not porkmarras.

[terminal pharmacy]

not many people will wortk alongside those in a lesser situation and teach them to read and write during war time and educate people not of his country

[jon boy]

he's the face that launched a thousand crap t shirts.

[terminal pharmacy]

yes there has been a billion crap shirts that doesnt make his altruism a bad thing, he himself didnt launch the tshirts in some bad marketing campaign. how many doctors go and work in leper colonies for nothing just to help people

[jon boy]

i know i was just joshing. i dont think he would have been very pleased with what has become of his symbol.

from watching the motorcylce diaries its strange to think of what he became in the end.

[Hip Priest]

I know a lot of professional (and non-professional) people who give a lot of time and effort to good causes. There are thousands more, all over place. Some do it within their local environment, some travel the world. We just don't hear about it, because it's not broadcast. The amount of human decency is greater than most people think.
Google 'pro help' or 'mercy ships' and see what you get, and that's just for starters.

I'm sure Mr Guevara had his good points.

[Tokolosh]

It's never been proven, but Castro betrayed him in Bolivia. Left him to rot.

[kingcoffee]

Latin America was in a very bad place in Che's time. He saw oppressive governments that favored the rich and ignored and tortured the poor. For some reason, Che saw Marxist socialism as a form of government that would even the score and give everyone, regardless of class, a reasonable living style. He was wrong of course about that because socialism/communism doesn't work. His heart was in the right place but his head wasn't. He bacame a militant guerilla because he had to. Not because he was a nut job who wanted to bring down any government. He became a guerilla because he wanted to bring down a shitty government. Unfortunately, after he and Castro brought down Batista, they set up an equally crappy government.

Che did a lot of good for people. He helped a great deal of people but he also harmed a great deal of people. He was a ruthless guerilla tactician and soldier who executed many people. Guevara had a hand in transporting Soviet missiles into Cuba which prompted the Cuban Missile Crisis. Guevara later stated that if the missiles were under Cuban control, they would have been fired at the USA.

So what we have here is a double-edged sword of a man. On one hand, he was a passionate revolutionary who cared very deeply for the people who could not stick up for themselves and fight the tyrants that opressed them. On the other hand, he was a violent brute who sought to end our (Democratic/American) way of life. I mean, seriously, he wanted to blow up America! That means that some of the people on this board might not be here if he had gotten his way. In some eyes Che is a revolutionary, similar to our own George Washington. In other eyes he is a socialist terrorist. The truth lies somehwere in the middle.

[Cantankerous]

che is a fucking trendsetter.

[static-harmony]

Originally Posted by Tokolosh

We use to call guys like him freedom fighters, now we call them terrorists.

I agree with you.

[Everyneurotic]

che=a person with enough sense and willpower to try and give the people power; of course, it didn't work but he fought hard and died for what he believed in.

then swatch thought it would be swell to sweep his picture for a watch and well, now there's che underwear, right?

there's now a tunnel straight to the center of the earth, wherever he's buried; it was formed from so many times he's grave has spun.

[Norma J]

Originally Posted by Hip Priest

The amount of human decency is greater than most people think.

If this were true, then there wouldn't be wars or third world countries.

[Norma J]

Originally Posted by Tokolosh

We use to call guys like him freedom fighters, now we call them terrorists.

Same could be said about most, if not all, governments.

[Cantankerous]

maybe the appropriate answer to this question would have been "i don't think about him."

[Toilet & Bowels]

go on the commies!

[hypnagogic scratch]

handsome.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by kingcoffee

Latin America was in a very bad place in Che's time. He saw oppressive governments that favored the rich and ignored and tortured the poor. For some reason, Che saw Marxist socialism as a form of government that would even the score and give everyone, regardless of class, a reasonable living style. He was wrong of course about that because socialism/communism doesn't work. His heart was in the right place but his head wasn't. He bacame a militant guerilla because he had to. Not because he was a nut job who wanted to bring down any government. He became a guerilla because he wanted to bring down a shitty government. Unfortunately, after he and Castro brought down Batista, they set up an equally crappy government.

Che did a lot of good for people. He helped a great deal of people but he also harmed a great deal of people. He was a ruthless guerilla tactician and soldier who executed many people. Guevara had a hand in transporting Soviet missiles into Cuba which prompted the Cuban Missile Crisis. Guevara later stated that if the missiles were under Cuban control, they would have been fired at the USA.

So what we have here is a double-edged sword of a man. On one hand, he was a passionate revolutionary who cared very deeply for the people who could not stick up for themselves and fight the tyrants that opressed them. On the other hand, he was a violent brute who sought to end our (Democratic/American) way of life. I mean, seriously, he wanted to blow up America! That means that some of the people on this board might not be here if he had gotten his way. In some eyes Che is a revolutionary, similar to our own George Washington. In other eyes he is a socialist terrorist. The truth lies somehwere in the middle.

tsss! latin america is still that kind of place, but communism is no solution, as it only spreads poverty instead of wealth, and makes everyone dependent on "the tit of the government" (my translation), until the whole systems collapses with parasites, freeloaders, and political appointees. at least under capitalism i can choose how i die. and better service gets rewarded by the market (for the most part-- no system is perfect you know?). but anyway. social democracy is as left as i'd go-- when you have 5 people doing the job of 1 it's just stupid.

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oh, about che-- sure he had the balls to fight for what he believed; however what he believed was misguided (marxism is just as flaky as any other form of prophecy)