[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by space

you should try explaining that to "the white guy", you racist!

he's there to add "authenticity"

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

Yes, but TV on The Radio have the angle of being black and playing indie rock, which is to say, that while racism is largely deemed extremely unfashionable in the indie rock community, this trend is not reflected in the record collection or listening habits of an indie rock listener who will most likely have less than 3 records made by black people in their collection, so to quell their anxiety as to whether they are really a racist in denial, the indie rocker buys a record made by TV on The Radio that a) allows them to imagine themselves as appreciating cultural & ethnic diversity but b) doesn't really stray too far into the scary territory of the non-white. Thus TV on The Radio corner their particular market.

Not only that, there's also the fact that your average white indie male will be convinced that the only way to protect themselves from accusations of being racist is by buying and embracing hip hop, as if it's the only music made by black people. See also blues. Or as if racism only concerns black people as such.

[demonrail666]

That's the tricky one for me. There is an underlying racism within a lot of the indie scene but there's also plenty of white people perfectly happy to listen to a Luther Vandross CD and who would never consider listening to a rock record, but who'd go mental if their daughter started dating a black guy. I'm not saying that people's cultural choices have nothing to do with their political ones but I certainly don't think they're reducible to them.

[Glice]

At the risk of sounding like Griffin - you know, because it's really important that SYG doesn't notice my inherent racism - I don't think a music made largely by white people for a white audience necessarily has anything to do with race-relations. There's a lot of people who live in entirely white areas, who can be forgiven for not memorising Buju Banton lyrics or being able to speak Lingala.

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

That's the tricky one for me. There is an underlying racism within a lot of the indie scene but there's also plenty of white people perfectly happy to listen to a Luther Vandross CD and who would never consider listening to a rock record, but who'd go mental if their daughter started dating a black guy. I'm not saying that people's cultural choices have nothing to do with their political ones but I certainly don't think they're reducible to them.

Yeah, listening to music made by black people is certainly not an indication of an indivdual's politcs and anti-racist stance in many cases. It's the same as when people marry, say, a Chinese person and still hold dodgy views when it comes to immigration and things like that.

[Glice]

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

Yeah, listening to music made by black people is certainly not an indication of an indivdual's politcs and anti-racist stance in many cases. It's the same as when people marry, say, a Chinese person and still hold dodgy views when it comes to immigration and things like that.

How's Ying-Lee's sham marriage going, you racist immigration-jumper?

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by Glice

How's Ying-Lee's sham marriage going, you racist immigration-jumper?

We haven't been able to find any better accomodation than the van we were both smuggled into the UK with.

[demonrail666]

Quite, I reckon you're far more likely to find a potential BNP voter flicking through the RnB section at an HMV in somewhere like Barking (assuming Barking has an HMV) than you are the Heavy Metal one.

[Glice]

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

We haven't been able to find any better accomodation than the van we were both smuggled into the UK with.

HOW IS YOUR ENGLISH NOW?

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by Glice

HOW IS YOUR ENGLISH NOW?

Thank you thank you.